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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) I'm not sure what manner yout think I mean. I don't think you are the guy holding the gun, if that's what you mean. That would be too messy. Instead, you pay someone else to hold the gun on your fellows while their resources are collected. (...) (24 years ago, 24-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) Yes, I agree, taxation of those who consent to be taxed is not theft. Where we differ is on how one gives consent and how one goes about withholding it. Stick with my example here... (...) So in a country of millions of people, as long as one (...) (24 years ago, 24-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) Would it be your claim that it is impossible for the government to steal from a citizen? (...) I have not. (...) Nowhere to go. (...) Pressured with the threat of death is not just a little pressure. So yes. I am saying that anytime someone (...) (24 years ago, 24-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) I do not "take" anything from my fellow man in the manner you mean. I have no problem paying tax within the UK/EU system... as long as it is managed democratically. I vote for governments who tax and spend in the way I find acceptable... I am (...) (24 years ago, 24-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
Christopher Weeks wrote in message ... (...) Aren't they a good example of law coming from a higher power than government? (...) given (...) That is an entirely inappropriate substitution - I'm not asking why the government needs permission to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
Larry Pieniazek wrote in message ... (...) And a fine answer it is too. It follows that consenting to be governed by a government which demands tax is giving permission to be taxed by that government - ergo, taxation is not theft. (...) governed? (...) (24 years ago, 23-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) people (...) So we've gone around in a circle and I still haven't heard any explanation as to why it is OK for you to take the resources of your fellow. It's not even that I _just_ disagree. I don't have anything reasonable with which to (...) (24 years ago, 23-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
<topped> (...) <tailed> I think you have a good point Paul. However, I think there is also value in replying point by point as one can quickly see where the main arguments lie. I enjoy ready through long, well reasoned, text - but without printing (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) If one were subject to theft, one normally calls the police or involves the civil courts. If one objects to taxation, one protests against it. (...) I think calling it "theft" detracts from you argument. However, it is not all that big a deal (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) I think, we are back to where we started on this one. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 23-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
<original message snipped> Generally I don't feel right blowing my own trumpet, guys, but I feel that the reputation (and possibly the future!) of this NG is at stake here. If you have the time, feel free to take a few minutes to read a post I made (...) (24 years ago, 21-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		(Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
Kevin and Frank are right, this discussion didn't belong in that thread. My bad. It kind of crept up on me. (...) Would you prefer "the forceful (when necessary) realocation of resources?" Theft is much shorter. It is more convenient to call it (...) (24 years ago, 21-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) given (...) Your stace here is (if I understand you correctly) that since a bunch of people think taking my money is OK, that I don't have a right to call it theft. I don't think that makes any sense. No number of opinions in favor, make (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Paul Baulch writes: Yes, this is old ground. It's a fundamental difference in premise about what the proper form of society is, actually. (...) This is the root of the question indeed. The conventional answer is that (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
Larry handled the first step well, but I do have a couple questions. (...) Hi Paul, In reverse order: Why refer to the Old Testament? And substituting words, you ask "Why does organization-x need permission to steal from you?" In any instance of (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) It is not hypothetical, Britain did this in 1788. They stopped paying their tax to the UK a while back though... we keep a tab. :-) Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) Do they not ask you each and every time there is an election in the US? Sure, I expect you were out-voted - but that is democracy for you! Did Gore and Bush not present pre-election spending plans to your nation? Will your elected (...) (24 years ago, 22-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		It IS about Taxation ;-) (Was Re: (Sub\|Ob)jectivity and related case studies on .debate (...or is it just about taxation :-)
(...) [...] (...) whose (...) education (...) heads (...) don't (...) Apologies if I'm plowing old ground here, I spent a while looking for the original source of this discussion but couldn't find it (possibly due to the fact that I'm using an NNTP (...) (24 years ago, 21-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Arguing about nature, Nature, and ethics
(...) (and in another post) (...) Mr. Pieniazek, You issued this challenge to me in another thread concerning sexual ethics. Perhaps you missed my note to Kevin which - to some degree - agrees with your concerns: --- The reasoning behind the sexual (...) (24 years ago, 16-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: IP ( was Re: LP POINT 1
(...) The state paid my to be a student. Not very much, but enough to mean I could concentre of my studies - rather than flipping burgers. (...) It is not perfect - I agree. But the NHS is a highly respected orginisation in the UK. The poeple who (...) (24 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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