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To LUGNET users:
For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community. Sometimes
I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. A toy for kids that we are so
lucky to get to play with. If you HATE the change so much sell your LEGO®.
LEGO® WILL NOT change back. So stop crying like a little school girl who just
scraped her knee. I’ve seen all the rants, cartoons, and stupid little form
letters to send to Jake. Give the man a rest. Better yet tell him thank you.
To Jake:
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
R. Lee Crabtree
Hardlug
Hampton Roads Lego Users Group
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In lugnet.general, Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> To LUGNET users:
>
> For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
> to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community. Sometimes
> I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. A toy for kids that we are so
> lucky to get to play with. If you HATE the change so much sell your LEGO®.
> LEGO® WILL NOT change back. So stop crying like a little school girl who just
> scraped her knee. I’ve seen all the rants, cartoons, and stupid little form
> letters to send to Jake. Give the man a rest. Better yet tell him thank you.
>
> To Jake:
>
> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> R. Lee Crabtree
> Hardlug
> Hampton Roads Lego Users Group
Here here!!!
Thank you, Jake.
Time for the rest of you to GROW UP!!!!
Play On!!!!
M
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In lugnet.general, Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
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For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues.
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Sometimes I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. A toy for kids
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In lugnet.general, Michael Harrod wrote:
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Time for the rest of you to GROW UP!!!!
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Ah, the irony...
Even more so that the call to “GROW UP” isn’t directed to .color.
;-)
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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To LUGNET users:
I would just like to say, for the record, that I totally agree that Jake's
doing the best job he possibly can. I have not, would not now, nor would I
ever blame or flame him for any problems I have with the company since
they're obviously all completely beyond his influence and/or control. I
especially do not envy his position at this particular point in time.
HOWEVER, everybody oughta just shut and up and not talk about what's
continuing to bother them?
*shhhhh* watch out for that elephant in the corner, he's really cranky ever
since he woke up one morning to find out that he was a lighter gray than
before! :-)
Seriously, I don't think that you're even close to seeing the end of the
dismay on the part of diehard fans, so brace yourself for more. The color
issue ain't goin' away any time soon, and the harder you try to suppress
that fact the bigger that elephant's gonna get. However, you won't hear
anything more from me ever. If you keep slappin' people down for their
point of view then pretty soon you'll only have yourself to slap.
Since freedom of expression about the bleedin' obvious is not wanted, then
I'll say goodbye.
I'll miss you all.
DinosaurDave
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In lugnet.general, David Simmons wrote:
> To LUGNET users:
[...]
> Seriously, I don't think that you're even close to seeing the end of the
> dismay on the part of diehard fans, so brace yourself for more. The color
> issue ain't goin' away any time soon, and the harder you try to suppress
> that fact the bigger that elephant's gonna get. However, you won't hear
> anything more from me ever. If you keep slappin' people down for their
> point of view then pretty soon you'll only have yourself to slap.
>
> Since freedom of expression about the bleedin' obvious is not wanted, then
> I'll say goodbye.
>
> I'll miss you all.
>
> DinosaurDave
XFUT --> .color
-Tim
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In lugnet.general, Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> To LUGNET users:
>
> For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
> to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community. Sometimes
> I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. A toy for kids that we are so
> lucky to get to play with.
[snip]
Randall, though I'm also starting to tire of the colour issue, I would like to
say that LEGO is whatever you want it to be. TLC call it a toy and target kids
(mostly), but that's just their marketting - whoever buys it can use it how they
see fit. I've seen it used as many things besides a toy - art medium, design
tool, leveller for table legs...
So saying "LEGO is just a toy" is a very narrow view (IMO) of the LEGO product.
ROSCO
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Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
> to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community.
So the people who are still concerned should shut up - just for the
single reason of you being fed up with hearing critical voices? Who the
**** do you think you are?
OK, back to normal. While the american AFOLs have mostly surrendered,
there is remarkable pressure here in Europe. Call us old-fashioned, but
we have been in touch with Lego bricks for way longer than most of you.
Call us conservative - not in a political, but in a caring way. Most of
us still care for the things that made Lego what it is. We still think
that "The best is only good enough" should be the motto for Lego. We
still think that Lego should stand for its original meaning: "Leg God" -
play good.
> Sometimes I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. A toy for
> kids that we are so lucky to get to play with.
If it is all about a kids toy, why do *you* rant?
> If you HATE the change so much sell your LEGO®.
No. I won't. I consider the colour change and its implementation as one
of the most stupid business decisions I've ever seen. But I won't sell
my Lego. I stopped buying sets (of 2004 onwards) though.
> LEGO® WILL NOT change back. So stop crying like a little school girl
> who just scraped her knee.
Lego does not *want* to change back because their own logistic
mismanagement (my impression) would make this prohibitive expensive
(their words).
On the other hand, they managed to create just another colour on the fly
for an upcoming set. One of the points where TLC contradicts itself.
> I’ve seen all the rants, cartoons, and stupid little form
> letters to send to Jake. Give the man a rest. Better yet tell him
> thank you.
First, I think most readers understood the satirical implication of the
form letter, despite its accuracy in pinpointing a lot of problems to be
concerned about. I don't belive anybody honestly sent such a complaint
form to Jake (Jake, could you clarify on this?).
Second, if you don't like criticism, you should stay away from any form
of communication. The cartoon voiced those points Jake forgot to put
into the final versions. There were strips about the grey issue in the
first version of the comic. They must have slipped somehow or got lost,
because nobody would imply that they would just cut out the biggest AFOL
issue/concern/topic in the last years on purpose, would they, Jake? JAKE?
Jake gets paid for being a spokesperson. It is his job to catch the
bullets designated for the company. This is the reason why I deem his
"sorry for the colour change" relatively worthless - he did not cause
it, he could not stop it, he is not responsible, therefor he is not in a
position to say "sorry". The people responsible would not even dare to
show up in public. It is Jakes job to bend over for their failures.
I do thank Jake for taking up with both a company with a braindead
management and concerned fans, though.
Yours, Christian
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In lugnet.general, Christian Treczoks wrote:
> Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> > For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
> > to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community.
> So the people who are still concerned should shut up - just for the
> single reason of you being fed up with hearing critical voices? Who the
> **** do you think you are?
> > If you HATE the change so much sell your LEGO®.
> No. I won't. I consider the colour change and its implementation as one
> of the most stupid business decisions I've ever seen. But I won't sell
> my Lego. I stopped buying sets (of 2004 onwards) though.
Me too.
...SNIP...
I agree with your entire post. Thank you for putting it so eloquently.
Dean
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In lugnet.general, Dean Husby wrote:
> I agree with your entire post. Thank you for putting it so eloquently.
XFUT --> .color (please!!)
++Lar
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In lugnet.general, Dean Husby wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Christian Treczoks wrote:
> > Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> > > For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
> > > to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community.
> > So the people who are still concerned should shut up - just for the
> > single reason of you being fed up with hearing critical voices? Who the
> > **** do you think you are?
>
> > > If you HATE the change so much sell your LEGO®.
> > No. I won't. I consider the colour change and its implementation as one
> > of the most stupid business decisions I've ever seen. But I won't sell
> > my Lego. I stopped buying sets (of 2004 onwards) though.
>
> Me too.
>
> ...SNIP...
>
> I agree with your entire post. Thank you for putting it so eloquently.
>
> Dean
People can wax poetically all they want about how dumb it was for Chevrolet to
stop making '57 convertibles. There comes a certain point, however, when the
rant, tirade, tiff, eloquently posted and well thought out with corresponding
bullet points expatiation ceases to do any good. And I beleive that we're well
beyond that point.
Show up with some new information and we can continue the discussion. Saying
"TLC was wrong to change the colours, and my not purchasing new sets is the
fallout of said decision" isn't contributing anything that we didn't hear 7
months ago.
All that this snippage, eloquent or not, continues to do is stir up the pot here
and does not contribute one iota to the overturning of TLC's decision. Quite
the contrary, the revisiting of this topic, over and over and over again, not
only causes a 'flame war' on LUGNET each time it is brought up(which doean't
make anyone happy), but, more importantly, embitters representatives from TLC
from hearing future legitimate issues from the AFOL community--"Oh here they go
again...", or, even more worrisome, in the future they won't listen to us at
all.
The issue has been stated. There is no new information. The company, right or
wrong, stayed with their decision. The company has heard the community, and you
may not like what they decided, but, in the end, it's their company. For us, it
is now time to go beyond this and let it rest.
Dave K
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In lugnet.general, David Koudys wrote:
<snip>
> The issue has been stated. There is no new information. The company, right or
> wrong, stayed with their decision. The company has heard the community, and you
> may not like what they decided, but, in the end, it's their company. For us, it
> is now time to go beyond this and let it rest.
>
> Dave K
Oops--FUT to colour
I should know better...
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In lugnet.general, Christian Treczoks wrote:
> Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> > For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
> > to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community.
> So the people who are still concerned should shut up - just for the
> single reason of you being fed up with hearing critical voices? Who the
> **** do you think you are?
>
> OK, back to normal. While the american AFOLs have mostly surrendered,
> there is remarkable pressure here in Europe. Call us old-fashioned, but
> we have been in touch with Lego bricks for way longer than most of you.
> Call us conservative - not in a political, but in a caring way. Most of
> us still care for the things that made Lego what it is. We still think
> that "The best is only good enough" should be the motto for Lego. We
> still think that Lego should stand for its original meaning: "Leg God" -
> play good.
>
> > Sometimes I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. A toy for
> > kids that we are so lucky to get to play with.
> If it is all about a kids toy, why do *you* rant?
<had to snip a bit to fit>
>
> I do thank Jake for taking up with both a company with a braindead
> management and concerned fans, though.
>
> Yours, Christian
Christian,
Once again, you are not alone. The color change [is] a problem. Not [was], [is].
Best regards from Portugal, Europe :-)
Paulo Renato
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In lugnet.general, Paulo Renato wrote:
> Christian,
>
> Once again, you are not alone. The color change [is] a problem. Not [was], [is].
>
> Best regards from Portugal, Europe :-)
>
> Paulo Renato
Paulo (and others) -
Please set followups appropriately. Complaints and reiterations of complaints
about the color change belong in lugnet.color, not lugnet.general.
See: http://news.lugnet.com/admin/nntp/?n=1451
XFUT -> lugnet.color
-Tim
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In lugnet.general, Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> If you HATE the change so much sell your LEGO®.
Good logic. That's exactly like saying, if you hate the whining so much, stop
reading LUGNET.
> LEGO® WILL NOT change back.
How do you know? They may respond if enough people voice their opinion.
> letters to send to Jake. Give the man a rest. Better yet tell him thank you.
Yes, I think Jake is doing a great job. Thanks, Jake. That said, if you don't
tell TLG critical feedback about their sets, you may never get those ultimate
sets you've been dreaming of. Advanced Designer sets fill my dream nicely, and
I have to believe that those sets were created, at least partially, in response
to AFOL's whining about Juniorized sets.
Richard Bryan - Devil's Advocate (I couldn't care less about the color change)
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In lugnet.general, Richard Bryan wrote:
> Advanced Designer sets fill my dream nicely, and
> I have to believe that those sets were created, at least partially, in response
> to AFOL's whining about Juniorized sets.
I think not.
Sculptures, Legends (now renamed Classics???), My Own Train, My Own Creation
series, bulk bricks, My Own Train, ISD, the Maersk Container Ship, (ie anything
with set number 10000+) and associated with Lego Direct were probably all due in
part or whole to AFOL requests.
It will be interesting to see which of these intiatives are continued and which
ones are quietly dropped. I suspect that it will be AFOL purchasing power rather
than AFOL whining that is the deciding factor.
Th Designer stuff fits in too neatly with the rest of the mainstream range and
strategy for AFOLs to be able to claim credit. They look a lot like the
centrepiece of the "Back to Basics" strategy, which is a response to the failed
attempt to broaden the brand and some very expensive licensing mistakes (ie huge
numbers of Galidor, Harry Potter and SW stock being cleared at steep discount).
In the grey area would have to be the Designer "pods" which look suspiciously
like a .space fad.
Thank the stars - I think the "Designer" strategy is working. In the past 12
months, I haven't seen any Designer sets discounted at all. I think this is a
good sign.
And I suspect we'll never know for sure. I think TLC is too engrossed in a
do-or-die struggle with other toy companies to tell us much about how they
decide their product strategies.
Note to Jake: I am sure the folk here (me included) would love to know which
whines worked and which ones didn't so that future whining can be more carefully
targeted.
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In lugnet.general, Mark Jordan wrote:
(snip)
XFUT --> lugnet.lego
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In lugnet.general, Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
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To LUGNET users:
For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community.
Sometimes I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. -- deleted--
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Randall et al-
Ah, but what is “the good of the community”? Certainly “the community” is not
the same as LEGO’s core market. Our community is a niche of serious LEGO
builders, both kids and adults, who prize the value of the highly flexible, very
standardized, and high quality product called the “LEGO system”.
Many of us are concerned with the cumulative assault on “the system” from
juniorization, explosion of colors, quality control, retirement of basic colors,
attempts to find new markets, and other changes that LEGO has made. Prior to the
current uproar, we are told, it never occurred to TLC consider the impact of
changes to “the community”. So maybe we will never see light and dark gray
again, maybe we will, but either way TLC “officially” knows there are people out
here who are impacted by these choices. To me, that’s certainly been for “the
good of the community”.
-Ted
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In lugnet.general, Ted Michon wrote:
(snip and not picking on Ted in particular)
I will not dispute, and *have* not disputed, the validity of the color topic as
a topic that can and should be discussed on LUGNET. However I dispute that it is
an appropriate topic for .general, for .events.brickfest or any of a number of
places it has spilled over in the past and recently. The topic is appropriate
for .color where it is *specifically* on charter. It is appropriate for groups
in the .lego hierarchy. But it is not appropriate for .general
LUGNET gets strength from the fact that it uses compartmentalization to help
people read what they want to read. LUGNET gets strength from the fact that we
manage to get by, by and large, by honoring each others requests.
It is not censorship or heavyhanded control to ask that people respect this
compartmentalization, as a courtesy to the readership here. It is, however, a
bit tiresome to have to keep asking for this over and over and over.
PLEASE respect these repeated requests.
Call me a hall monitor or whatever other derogatory term you choose, if you
like, I don’t care.
But I would really appreciate adherence to this. Notice is being taken and
people who repeatedly do this have indeed been noticed.
That said, if you by chance slipped, made a mistake, didn’t check the FUT
carefully, and really didn’t mean to post where the topic not is welcome... and
therefore you want a post cancelled, you have but to ask for it (via its URL in
a note) to Todd or Frank or myself and we will happily do so for you
If you have an issue with the adherence to this topic, that’s itself not a topic
for .general but rather a topic for somewhere in the admin hierarchy, for
example admin.general or admin.nntp depending on the nature of your issue.
Otherwise, please note the FUT, which is to .color
Thank you very very much.
++Lar (from LincolnLand!)
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In lugnet.general, Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> To Jake:
>
> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ditto BIG TIME.
LEGO rocks. Jake Rocks. Fans of LEGO rock when they aren't complaining about
an issue that has been worn threadbare.
Let's get back to 'playing well'...
Nathan Wells
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In lugnet.general, Nathan Wells wrote:
(snip)
see http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=48471
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After the recent LEGO bashing that has gone on on LUGNET since the color debacle
a while back, I was ready to recind my membership.
I'm glag other people are Fed UP!!!!!!! and saying so.
All I can say is that LUGNET is one of the primary sites for AFOL's. Lets not
forget what the A in AFOL stands for.
Dave
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Lego is the best damn toy ever made, and it will remian so, no matter how many
colors they change! Ranting about this is like the stupid FCC trying to censor
stuff on the radio and in music. If it offends you, then don't listen. If you
don't like the new colors, then don't buy.
---member 1893
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In lugnet.general, Daniel Warren wrote:
> Lego is the best damn toy ever made, and it will remian so, no matter how
> many colors they change! Ranting about this is like the stupid FCC trying to
> censor stuff on the radio and in music. If it offends you, then don't listen.
> If you don't like the new colors, then don't buy.
Reminder... (not picking on you in particular, Daniel)
There is a group lugnet.color for discussions about color issues.
http://news.lugnet.com/color/
Again, please take color discussions there, because the color-related traffic
here in lugnet.general is getting out of hand, and lugnet.general is for more
general issues now that we have a dedicated color newsgroup.
--Todd
p.s. Anyone who posts about color issues in lugnet.color won't get a blay
1x1 shoved up their nose.
[xfut => lugnet.color]
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Lego is not "just" a toy. But it is a toy.
Lego is sold and marketed as a toy to children and adults who are buying toys
for their children. It competes with other toys for shelf space in the toy
department, and is sold in the price range typical for toys. Lego will probably
never license NYPD Blue for World City, Louis Vuitton for Clickits, or induct
Jack Ryan to Alpha Team.
Lego is a toy company, and most of its decisions (from the decision to drop the
Duplo brand, to the decision to license Star Wars) are driven by TLC's
perceptions (sometimes flawed) of the toy market, which they share with Mattel
and Hasbro.
As AFOLs, when we remember its a toy, but are delighted with the extra
possibilities that works well. We are pleasantly surprised when we can buy some
bricks and make something no one could have ever predicted.
But when we forget its a toy and expect TLC to cater primarily to our needs
(whims?) as AFOLs, we will continue to be disappointed.
For people who continue to be REALLY upset about the new colours, I am sorry,
but you have a problem. Lego is not big enough to fill the hole in your life.
Maybe you should discuss this with someone, outside the Lego community - maybe
someone professional who can give you an objective opinion. Or maybe get a puppy
and a pair of lovebirds.
I don't feel censorious when I request people to stop ranting about the color
change, Bionicle, BURPs, Juniorisation and how stupid the set selection for 200x
is - I come here to read about Lego - not about people's personal problems.
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In lugnet.general, Mark Jordan wrote:
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> I don't feel censorious when I request people to stop ranting about the color
> change, Bionicle, BURPs, Juniorisation and how stupid the set selection for 200x
> is - I come here to read about Lego - not about people's personal problems.
Well, people come here to talk about everything LEGO. This includes all the
aformentionned. People also come here to express themselves on everything LEGO.
Expression themselves also means ranting if they feel like it. If you don't
want to read it, you have 2 options:
1-Ignore these posts.
and/or
2-Go away.
It's a right to express an opinion, should it be positive or negative, about
LEGO and the products they make. It's not YOUR right to tell people to shut up
if you don't like their opinions.
And LUGNET would be pretty boring IMHO if there were no debates on these topics.
Furthermore, it's good for the community to have debates and to have people not
agreeing on these topics. The color change topic proved we could have a (very
small but still...) impact on the decisions that are being taken at TLG.
Respectfully yours,
Terry
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In lugnet.general, Terry Prosper wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Mark Jordan wrote:
> snip
> > I don't feel censorious when I request people to stop ranting about the color
> > change, Bionicle, BURPs, Juniorisation and how stupid the set selection for 200x
> > is - I come here to read about Lego - not about people's personal problems.
>
> Well, people come here to talk about everything LEGO. This includes all the
> aformentionned. People also come here to express themselves on everything LEGO.
> Expression themselves also means ranting if they feel like it. If you don't
> want to read it, you have 2 options:
>
> 1-Ignore these posts.
> and/or
> 2-Go away.
>
> It's a right to express an opinion, should it be positive or negative, about
> LEGO and the products they make. It's not YOUR right to tell people to shut up
> if you don't like their opinions.
>
> And LUGNET would be pretty boring IMHO if there were no debates on these topics.
> Furthermore, it's good for the community to have debates and to have people not
> agreeing on these topics. The color change topic proved we could have a (very
> small but still...) impact on the decisions that are being taken at TLG.
>
> Respectfully yours,
>
> Terry
The problem is not having debates on LUGNET. The problem is having the same
debate, over and over, with the same people saying the same things, and the same
conclusions.
At the very least, these debates should be contained to the appropriate place on
LUGNET. From what I and other admins can sense, the repeated spilling of such
discussions out of the appropriate groups are frustrating the majority of
posters just trying to enjoy themselves here on LUGNET.
Please play nice in the sandbox.
XFUT -> lugnet.color
-Tim
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In lugnet.general, Terry Prosper wrote:
> [...] If you don't want to read it, you have 2 options:
>
> 1-Ignore these posts.
> and/or
> 2-Go away.
There is a third option:
3. Posts about color issues go in lugnet.color, not in lugnet.general...
obviating the need for 1 & 2.
> It's a right to express an opinion, should it be positive or negative,
> about LEGO and the products they make.
Hey man... That's true... But it's been asked of everyone to please -not-
post about color issues in lugnet.general anymore, as it upsets people who
are tired of hearing the complaints and the ensuing arguments.
Terry, what can I do to help you discuss color issues in lugnet.color instead
of in lugnet.general?
Thanks,
--Todd
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In lugnet.general, Mark Jordan wrote:
> For people who continue to be REALLY upset about the new colours, I am sorry,
> but you have a problem.
Let's see.
Imagine if you will, that I have a problem. Now I see that the fact that I have
a problem is a problem to you. Otherwise, if I do not have a problem, you have
certainly a problem for stating that I do have a problem. Either way it seems
that you are the one who have a problem here. (It happens, no need to dispair.
Need any help?)
> Lego is not big enough to fill the hole in your life.
Has your life a hole? Do you need to talk a little? Ok then, you can send me a
private e-mail and i'll do my best to help you.
> Maybe you should discuss this with someone, outside the Lego community - maybe
> someone professional who can give you an objective opinion. Or maybe get a puppy
> and a pair of lovebirds.
Hey, that's what you did? I'm glad for you. After all you seem to be making it.
A last note: Have you ever heard about something called "respect"? If you want I
will try to explain it to you. But it may take a while...
Paulo Renato
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Hi Mark,
I appreciated your post. Thank you. I have been trying to avoid this thread as
much as possible but that is difficult with the number of times it has been
highlighted. I too am sick and tired of the ranting. I understood it when the
whole unmentionable incident occured, and I wasn't happy either, but it is going
on too long. I guess a lot of people don't understand that hobbies are not an
excuse for a life. I deal with serious stressful issues every day and Lego is
one of my stress relievers. This thread (and all of its siblings) are not what
I am looking for in my hobby. Lots of people have talked about quiting Legos
because of the color change. Quite frankly, I have thought about leaving Lugnet
because of the ranting. One of the responses to your post prompted my reply
because he talks about not being respected. Well, his post showed no respect
for your point of view (which I think was phrased with respect). Thank you for
your attitude, at least one person here appreciates it.
Take care and build on,
Josh
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In lugnet.general, Josh Wedin wrote:
(snip)
.general is not an appropriate place for this discussion.
Josh please see:
http://news.lugnet.com/general/?n=48498
http://news.lugnet.com/admin/nntp/?n=1451
(among others)
and please respect the FUT. If you have issues with why .general is not a good
place, let's talk about them in admin.general... Thanks.
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In lugnet.general, Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
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To LUGNET users:
For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community.
Sometimes I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. A toy for kids
that we are so lucky to get to play with. If you HATE the change so much sell
your LEGO®. LEGO® WILL NOT change back. So stop crying like a little school
girl who just scraped her knee. I’ve seen all the rants, cartoons, and stupid
little form letters to send to Jake. Give the man a rest. Better yet tell him
thank you.
To Jake:
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
R. Lee Crabtree
Hardlug
Hampton Roads Lego Users Group
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I’m not even going to address the color issue, as I have made my opinion known
on LUGNET, and I’m making my opinion known to TLC by voting with my dollars.
What’s bothering me are the repeated demands for silence from those who disagree
and continue to be unhappy with the color change. To those who are happy with
the color change:
- Is it that offensive to hear opinions that don’t conform to your own?
- Aren’t there any options other than forming a consensus (in favor of the change) or keeping silent? Can’t we continue to express contrary opinions?
- Why is unhappiness with the color change issue construed as a personal attack on Jake McKee? I have no beef with Jake - he didn’t decide to change the colors. Let me add my own big thanks to Jake for all that he does. But it’s his job to communicate between TLC and AFOLs, so he’s the guy I express my opinions (positive and negative) to. What’s wrong with that?
- Why SHOULD we give up? AFOLs complained for years about (for example) the lack of bulk bricks - and now we have bulk discounts and Pick-a-Brick. I don’t think it was a coincidence.
That’s all. I respect your right to voice your opinions on LUGNET. Please
respect mine.
Marc Nelson Jr.
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In lugnet.general, Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> To LUGNET users:
>
> For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
> to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community. Sometimes
> I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. A toy for kids that we are so
> lucky to get to play with. If you HATE the change so much sell your LEGO®.
> LEGO® WILL NOT change back. So stop crying like a little school girl who just
> scraped her knee. I’ve seen all the rants, cartoons, and stupid little form
> letters to send to Jake. Give the man a rest. Better yet tell him thank you.
>
> To Jake:
>
> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> R. Lee Crabtree
> Hardlug
> Hampton Roads Lego Users Group
Toy? Hmm... Toy.
I thought it was a "WAY OF LIFE!"
:-)
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In lugnet.general, Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> To LUGNET users:
>
> For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
> to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community. Sometimes
> I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. A toy for kids that we are so
> lucky to get to play with. If you HATE the change so much sell your LEGO®.
> LEGO® WILL NOT change back. So stop crying like a little school girl who just
> scraped her knee. I’ve seen all the rants, cartoons, and stupid little form
> letters to send to Jake. Give the man a rest. Better yet tell him thank you.
>
> To Jake:
>
> THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> R. Lee Crabtree
> Hardlug
> Hampton Roads Lego Users Group
I don't agree that it should be forgotten, forgiven and left behind us. I like
many others am still very upset about this change. Why should I shut up more
than you? You are narrow-minded if you imply that your opinion about this
matter is more of value than ours. So I won't shut up. I hope you understand
that your little rant about us insulting. I hope you realize that people like
you don't contribute to make the world better. We lost, let's shut up and kiss
the winner's @$$... Well, Jake may not be a "winner" in this case, but you get
the point...
I don't thank Jake. I still think he didn't so everything he could. I also
think he's part of the problem, not the solution. But that's just my opinion
and according to you, I should shut up because I don't make you happy? Poor
you. Now who's the crybaby?
Terry
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In lugnet.general, Terry Prosper wrote:
> In lugnet.general, Randall Lee Crabtree wrote:
> > To LUGNET users:
> >
> > For the past 7 months I have heard too much about the color issues. It is time
> > to put the issue behind us and move on for the good of the community. Sometimes
> > I think that all of you forgot that this is a toy. A toy for kids that we are so
> > lucky to get to play with. If you HATE the change so much sell your LEGO®.
> > LEGO® WILL NOT change back. So stop crying like a little school girl who just
> > scraped her knee. I’ve seen all the rants, cartoons, and stupid little form
> > letters to send to Jake. Give the man a rest. Better yet tell him thank you.
> >
> > To Jake:
> >
> > THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > R. Lee Crabtree
> > Hardlug
> > Hampton Roads Lego Users Group
>
>
> I don't agree that it should be forgotten, forgiven and left behind us. I like
> many others am still very upset about this change. Why should I shut up more
> than you? You are narrow-minded if you imply that your opinion about this
> matter is more of value than ours. So I won't shut up. I hope you understand
> that your little rant about us insulting. I hope you realize that people like
> you don't contribute to make the world better. We lost, let's shut up and kiss
> the winner's @$$... Well, Jake may not be a "winner" in this case, but you get
> the point...
>
> I don't thank Jake. I still think he didn't so everything he could. I also
> think he's part of the problem, not the solution. But that's just my opinion
> and according to you, I should shut up because I don't make you happy? Poor
> you. Now who's the crybaby?
Terry -
1) Please check your attitude at the door.
2) Please set followups appropriately.
http://news.lugnet.com/admin/nntp/?n=1451
XFUT -> lugnet.color
-Tim
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In lugnet.general, Terry Prosper wrote:
> I don't agree that it should be forgotten, forgiven and left behind us.
> I like many others am still very upset about this change.
Hi Terry,
I'm still upset about it too.
> Why should I shut up more than you?
Randall is probably as upset about hearing complaints from people like us as
we are about the color change. The best thing we can do to honor requests
from Randall and others is to talk about it in the lugnet.color newsgroup
rather than in lugnet.general. Think of it maybe as a support group too.
> You are narrow-minded if you imply that your opinion about this matter is
> more of value than ours.
I don't think he's saying that; I think he's just simply expressing the
emotions that he currently feels over the whole situation. It seems natural
to me that a there would be people who aren't bothered by the color change
and/or just don't want to hear any more complaining.
That's why (well, one of the reasons why) we created the lugnet.color
newsgroup.
> So I won't shut up.
Some good news and some bad news: Good news is, you don't have to shut up
about it on LUGNET; feel free to use lugnet.color for any color-related LEGO
issues. Bad news is, all of us who are upset by the color changes really
need to be a little more understanding of the people who are sick of our
incessant complaining. In practical terms, what does that mean? It means
shutting up about it in lugnet.general.
> I hope you understand that your little rant about us insulting.
But I'll bet he didn't start composing the message with the intent of
insulting us; the nature of strong emotions is that we sometimes insult
other people in the process of getting something off our chest.
> I hope you realize that people like you don't contribute to make the world
> better.
And I'll bet you didn't start composing your message with the intent of
insulting Randall, right?
> We lost, let's shut up and kiss the winner's @$$... Well, Jake
> may not be a "winner" in this case, but you get the point...
We lost, yes, and we'll continue to complain about it until we're blay in
the face, but regardless of whether insulting Jake helps us feel better,
I'm pretty sure that most people here would rather not continue to hear
personal insults aired publicly.
> I don't thank Jake. I still think he didn't so everything he could. I
> also think he's part of the problem, not the solution. But that's just
> my opinion and according to you, I should shut up because I don't make
> you happy? Poor you. Now who's the crybaby?
When I look at Randall's message, at first I see him asking everyone to
shut up already about the color change. But really, I think he's asking
that he simply please not have to hear about it anymore. I think Randall
and others would consider it acceptable if complaints about colors didn't
cease per se but simply took place in groups that they don't read, e.g.
lugnet.color.
--Todd
[xfut => lugnet.color]
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Hey, you know, if we have some more "Fed UP!!!!" people on both sides of the
issue, spotlight a few more topics in the thread, we can have the entire LUGNET
spotlight cluttered with this. It already takes up 4/10 of it, so why not a
little more.
"Let's all spotlight like mad, that will show the guys on the other side!!!"
Sense the sarcasm? I, for one, would like the Spotlight feature to come back...
so I can actually easily enjoy MOCs and such again.
But alas... everyone is "Fed UP!!!!"
--Rich
BZP
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