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Most of us here have explored many castle basic structures:
1) Castles
2) Taverns
3) Churches
4) etc...
For my next little project, I'm going to be working on a village - a very small
village which might have three houses and a square. So my question comes - what
SHOULD a small village contain? A town square? And what should be there?
Should I use the wooden elements, or focus on tan? Ideally, I will try to stay
away from gray and black - and most other colors ... This should be a dirty
little place where poor people live. This is exactly the type of place that my
two young heroes will try to get away from - because life in this kind of place
is hell. It's hell because this place has no future.
So here are my thoughts so far:
1) I will focus on having tan and brown all over - with maybe black and a
little bit of gray - very little. Dark gray is preferable.
2) I will use tan baseplates - and maybe one of the road plates from Bandit's
Hideout. Maybe two.
So my challege goes out for those of you with resources to design a house or two
that would meet these criteria. For those that don't have resources, I would
like to have your opinion: What should this place look like? Maybe one of you
could help me with the layout. I think I gave a pretty good idea of what I'm
looking for ... and now I need feedback because there are tons of creative guys
and gals out there, so I hoped for a collective effort on this ...
Thanks and I'm looking forward to hearing you ideas ...
-- pn
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In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
> Most of us here have explored many castle basic structures:
>
> 1) Castles
> 2) Taverns
> 3) Churches
> 4) etc...
>
> For my next little project, I'm going to be working on a village - a
> very small village which might have three houses and a square. So my
> question comes - what SHOULD a small village contain? A town square?
> And what should be there?
First I have a question for you. Are the buildings in your village
going to be not-quite-complete buildings like the Blacksmith Shop, Armor
Shop, Guarded Inn, etc? (All facades, basically.) Or are you going to
build complete, realistic, potentially fully-functional buildings? I
think this matters because it determines how big your town will be
size-wise. Also, depending upon how big your collection is, it may
impact what colors are used. (My collection is *really* humble, for
example, so if I wanted to build all in tan and brown, I'd only be able
to build facades.)
Anyway, I think your town, even if it is a dump, should include the
things a real town would need to survive -- baker, butcher, blacksmith,
perhaps an inn or hostel, and maybe a mill of some sort. You might not
need buildings which are *just* homes because most people would probably
run a business out of the downstairs part of their house and then live
upstairs.
> Should I use the wooden elements, or focus on tan? Ideally, I will
> try to stay away from gray and black - and most other colors ... This
> should be a dirty little place where poor people live. This is
> exactly the type of place that my two young heroes will try to get
> away from - because life in this kind of place is hell. It's hell
> because this place has no future.
Yikes! Sounds depressing! One thing you can do to "cheat" is to have
the buildings be gray in one place, tan in another, and so on, as if
they were just thrown together using whatever materials were available.
Another thing that might look nice is if the walls are tan or brown but
the *corners* of the buildings are gray. This gives the impression of a
poorly-built Tudor-style building, which would probably have been common
back then.
> So here are my thoughts so far:
>
> 1) I will focus on having tan and brown all over - with maybe black
> and a little bit of gray - very little. Dark gray is preferable.
> 2) I will use tan baseplates - and maybe one of the road plates from
> Bandit's Hideout. Maybe two.
Brown baseplates (from Ninja sets) would also look nice. Gives the
impression of muddy streets. I used a tan baseplate for my barn, and it
looks great. Hey, a barn is something your town might need, too!
Lastly, I would add that you probably don't need a town square if the
village will only be a few houses and such. It *could* look neat,
though, especially if you put a well or a statue or something at the
center of the square.
Rick Kurtzuba
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Rick Kurtzuba wrote in message ...
> In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
> > Most of us here have explored many castle basic structures:
> >
> > 1) Castles
> > 2) Taverns
> > 3) Churches
> > 4) etc...
> >
> > For my next little project, I'm going to be working on a village - a
> > very small village which might have three houses and a square. So my
> > question comes - what SHOULD a small village contain? A town square?
> > And what should be there?
>
> Anyway, I think your town, even if it is a dump, should include the
> things a real town would need to survive -- baker, butcher, blacksmith,
> perhaps an inn or hostel, and maybe a mill of some sort. You might not
> need buildings which are *just* homes because most people would probably
> run a business out of the downstairs part of their house and then live
> upstairs.
A poor medieval farming village will have very limited buisinesses. People
don't have money so they will do all their own work. It will need a mill
(though that being down by the stream, might not be in the village proper)
and probably would have a blacksmith. The buildings will be little 1 or 2
room buildings, the family animals (an oxen if they have a little wealth, a
few chickens, and perhaps a pig), would live with the people. There might be
a loft where people sleep. A small roadhouse (inn) might be nice to give the
heroes a way to connect with the outside world.
> > Should I use the wooden elements, or focus on tan? Ideally, I will
> > try to stay away from gray and black - and most other colors ... This
> > should be a dirty little place where poor people live. This is
> > exactly the type of place that my two young heroes will try to get
> > away from - because life in this kind of place is hell. It's hell
> > because this place has no future.
I'd use wood sparingly (Europe was quickly de-forrested, especially the UK).
Tan would represent wattle and daub fairly well.
> > 1) I will focus on having tan and brown all over - with maybe black
> > and a little bit of gray - very little. Dark gray is preferable.
> > 2) I will use tan baseplates - and maybe one of the road plates from
> > Bandit's Hideout. Maybe two.
I would only use the bandits road plates if the village has the roadhouse,
otherwise, it likely doesn't see enough traffic to warrant much of a road.
The houses will be pretty closely packed (if you don't use the road plates,
I'd make the "main" street not much wider than 10 studs).
> Brown baseplates (from Ninja sets) would also look nice. Gives the
> impression of muddy streets. I used a tan baseplate for my barn, and it
> looks great. Hey, a barn is something your town might need, too!
Yes, the brown plates would work well. There probably wouldn't be a barn (no
one in this village has enough money to have many animals, or more than the
absolute minimum amount of house).
Just my thoughts
Frank
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Frank Filz (<Fo38JK.C3H@lugnet.com>) wrote at
21:46:58
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> Rick Kurtzuba wrote in message ...
>
> > Brown baseplates (from Ninja sets) would also look nice. Gives the
> > impression of muddy streets. I used a tan baseplate for my barn, and it
> > looks great. Hey, a barn is something your town might need, too!
>
>
> Yes, the brown plates would work well. There probably wouldn't be a barn (no
> one in this village has enough money to have many animals, or more than the
> absolute minimum amount of house).
Are these plates the 'standard' LEGO brown?
Do they come from the second release of Ninja sets?
We haven't had them in the UK yet; they sound quite useful.
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In lugnet.castle, Tony Priestman writes:
> On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Frank Filz (<Fo38JK.C3H@lugnet.com>) wrote at
> 21:46:58
>
> >
> > Rick Kurtzuba wrote in message ...
> >
> > > Brown baseplates (from Ninja sets) would also look nice. Gives the
> > > impression of muddy streets. I used a tan baseplate for my barn, and it
> > > looks great. Hey, a barn is something your town might need, too!
> >
> >
> > Yes, the brown plates would work well. There probably wouldn't be a barn (no
> > one in this village has enough money to have many animals, or more than the
> > absolute minimum amount of house).
>
> Are these plates the 'standard' LEGO brown?
>
> Do they come from the second release of Ninja sets?
>
> We haven't had them in the UK yet; they sound quite useful.
Yes and yes. Ninja's Fire Fortress comes with a 16x16 brown baseplate, and
Emperor's Stronghold comes with a 16x32 baseplate.
Very useful. :)
James
http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/
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> Yes and yes. Ninja's Fire Fortress comes with a 16x16 brown baseplate, and
> Emperor's Stronghold comes with a 16x32 baseplate.
>
> Very useful. :)
>
> James
> http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/
I guess that explains the high cost of one of the sets ($33) - they have to
cover for the brown 16x16 baseplate;)
-- pn
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Verry few had barns or stable houses at this time. Though most has typical
farm animals since most in small villages were tenent farmers. They would
keep the animals on the first floor and live on the second. The animals were
kept in the house for their body heat.
> Yes, the brown plates would work well. There probably wouldn't be a barn (no
> one in this village has enough money to have many animals, or more than the
> absolute minimum amount of house).
>
> Just my thoughts
> Frank
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These are some interesting questions I've been asking myself as well, so
I'll chip in with my own thoughts...
> For my next little project, I'm going to be working on a village - a very • small
> village which might have three houses and a square. So my question • comes - what
> SHOULD a small village contain? A town square? And what should be there?
Towns tended to be built around a well or something, from which all the
people could gather the water essential for drinking, bathing, watering
their animals, etc. Produce, meat, and livestock might be sold in makeshift
booths around the square. The town's most important building (probably the
church) might be there too.
> So here are my thoughts so far:
>
> 1) I will focus on having tan and brown all over - with maybe black and a
> little bit of gray - very little. Dark gray is preferable.
You could make some poor-man's-Tudor-style houses with white or tan walls
and brown or dark grey timbers. Also maybe some stucco-covered stone houses
which would be mostly tan with grey stones showing through here and there.
Roofs would be wooden, perhaps tarred as well (brown or black). Houses
would probably have attached pens/stables for any animals the family owned.
> So my challege goes out for those of you with resources to design a house • or two
> that would meet these criteria. For those that don't have resources, I • would
> like to have your opinion: What should this place look like? Maybe one • of you
> could help me with the layout. I think I gave a pretty good idea of what • I'm
> looking for ... and now I need feedback because there are tons of creative • guys
> and gals out there, so I hoped for a collective effort on this ...
Layout could be simple, maybe two dusty intersecting streets. A
self-reliant town would have a baker, butcher, blacksmith, inn, tailor, some
addition merchants (depending on the size of the town), and several farms --
which were the raison d'être for both the town and the castle in medieval
times.
> Thanks and I'm looking forward to hearing you ideas ...
Hope I've said something that someone else didn't. :)
Paul Davidson
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In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
> Most of us here have explored many castle basic structures:
>
> 1) Castles
> 2) Taverns
> 3) Churches
> 4) etc...
I am actually working on a whole castle village's worth of custom models at the
moment... and here are the ideas I'm developing:
Town Well: As mentioned in other posts - the focal point of the town.
Wind Mill: Another essential focal point of town life where the peasant mill
their grains, store their flour, and of course where the local landlord's taxes
are collected.
Farm: Many middle age farms were actually quite large and employed many
families to operate them. Usually in exchange for the peasant's service, they
were rewarded a little plot of land to grow their own provisions. Some middle
age farms were actually so large that they rivaled the local landlord's estate
in size and some even had defensive fortifications (in France these farm
estates were called a Grange). It also was't just the local nobility that
owned these farms, but often they were church property.
Church: As the counter balance to the Landlord system, the peasants gave
freely to the Church and it was often the largest building in any village,
likely to be the only one made of stone.
Blacksmith and other workshops: the local landlord usually gave a charter for
such essential duties as a Blacksmith, fletcher, butcher, baker, carpenter,
hobbler, ferrier, etc. These "professionals" would be granted land for their
workshop and usually would dwell in the same building.
Monestary or Nunnery. Young Obi Wan would make a great monk and now we get
black nun's caps in the new Castle!
Market: On special grant from the landord, towns would often have a weekly
market day in the main square.
Adventurer's shop: While not of any historical value, why not have one of
those shops where the young adventurer get's equiped to seek fortune and fame
and get those necessary items like suits of chainmail, magic wands, and the all
important Scroll of Healing.
I'm still working on the designs and instructions, so it may be several months
before any of my sets are available, but you can view some of my previous
castle creations on my web page and I hope to have my prototype models posted
soon as well.
Take care!
Dan
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Dan wrote in message ...
> I am actually working on a whole castle village's worth of custom models at • the
> moment... and here are the ideas I'm developing:
> Blacksmith and other workshops: the local landlord usually gave a charter • for
> such essential duties as a Blacksmith, fletcher, butcher, baker, carpenter,
> hobbler, ferrier, etc. These "professionals" would be granted land for • their
> workshop and usually would dwell in the same building.
OK, I got out the dictionary, and still don't know what some of the words
you used are. What is ferrier? Hobbler?
> Adventurer's shop: While not of any historical value, why not have one of
> those shops where the young adventurer get's equiped to seek fortune and • fame
> and get those necessary items like suits of chainmail, magic wands, and the • all
> important Scroll of Healing.
Is that similar to a modern day health insurance policy?
> I'm still working on the designs and instructions, so it may be several • months
> before any of my sets are available, but you can view some of my previous
> castle creations on my web page and I hope to have my prototype models • posted
> soon as well.
It sounds like you have good plans, can't wait to see some more stuff!
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In lugnet.castle, John DiRienzo writes:
> Dan wrote in message ...
> > I am actually working on a whole castle village's worth of custom models at • the
> > moment... and here are the ideas I'm developing:
>
> > Blacksmith and other workshops: the local landlord usually gave a charter • for
> > such essential duties as a Blacksmith, fletcher, butcher, baker, carpenter,
> > hobbler, ferrier, etc. These "professionals" would be granted land for • their
> > workshop and usually would dwell in the same building.
>
> OK, I got out the dictionary, and still don't know what some of the words
> you used are. What is ferrier? Hobbler?
(just guessing) Typos? ;)
A farrier is someone who shoes horses. A cobbler is someone who shoes
people. I think that's the two professions he was mentioning.
James
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:40:00 GMT, "John DiRienzo"
<ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote:
> > such essential duties as a Blacksmith, fletcher, butcher, baker, carpenter,
> > hobbler, ferrier, etc. These "professionals" would be granted land for • their
> > workshop and usually would dwell in the same building.
>
> OK, I got out the dictionary, and still don't know what some of the words
> you used are. What is ferrier? Hobbler?
A ferrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry - fairly
important work if your town is located near or on a river. Hobbler?
No idea. A cobbler is a shoemaker, but that's the only similar
sounding word I can think of.
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In lugnet.castle, Mike Stanley writes:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:40:00 GMT, "John DiRienzo"
> <ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote:
>
> > > such essential duties as a Blacksmith, fletcher, butcher, baker, carpenter,
> > > hobbler, ferrier, etc. These "professionals" would be granted land for • their
> > > workshop and usually would dwell in the same building.
> >
> > OK, I got out the dictionary, and still don't know what some of the words
> > you used are. What is ferrier? Hobbler?
>
> A ferrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry - fairly
> important work if your town is located near or on a river.
?? I've never heard this before. I'm only familiar with 'ferryman' as a term.
A farrier is someone who shoes horses, though.
James
http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/
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> A ferrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry
Neg, as the other James pointed out, a Ferrier is someone who shoes
horses...like my wife's old boss in Victoria.
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In lugnet.castle, James Powell writes:
>
> > A ferrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry
>
> Neg, as the other James pointed out, a Ferrier is someone who shoes
> horses...like my wife's old boss in Victoria.
No -- Mike is correct.
A farrier shoes horses, a ferrier operates a ferry.
Check out Websters -- or dictionary.com
F
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In lugnet.castle, Fraser Lovatt writes:
> In lugnet.castle, James Powell writes:
> >
> > > A ferrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry
> >
> > Neg, as the other James pointed out, a Ferrier is someone who shoes
> > horses...like my wife's old boss in Victoria.
>
> No -- Mike is correct.
>
> A farrier shoes horses, a ferrier operates a ferry.
>
> Check out Websters -- or dictionary.com
Interesting... dictionary.com cites Websters (1996 ed) as it's source for
'ferrier', but m-w.com has no entry. There's also no source/etemolgy at
dictionary.com... Neat. I wonder what the hardcopy of Webster's says...
James
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~My~ Webster's didn't have either, and neither did M-W.com, which is why I
asked what the words meant. James Brown had the best guesses, I think -
they were the same as my guesses, misspelled words of similar meanings. I
had guessed cobbler from hobbler, but had never heard ferrier or farrier,
that I can remember. But aren't a farrier and a smith one and the same?
Ferrier would make more sense to me for the spelling of the word, as it
implies something do with iron, which is why I guessed it had something to
do with horse shoes, but was mystified when I couldn't confirm my guess in
the dictionary. Enough about spelling. Thanks for the help. Were there
ferries in the days of Castles? Just wondering.
PS - none of the words in question passed my spell check, either, but it did
suggest Ferrari!
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James Brown wrote in message ...
> In lugnet.castle, Fraser Lovatt writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, James Powell writes:
> > >
> > > > A ferrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry
> > >
> > > Neg, as the other James pointed out, a Ferrier is someone who shoes
> > > horses...like my wife's old boss in Victoria.
> >
> > No -- Mike is correct.
> >
> > A farrier shoes horses, a ferrier operates a ferry.
> >
> > Check out Websters -- or dictionary.com
>
> Interesting... dictionary.com cites Websters (1996 ed) as it's source for
> 'ferrier', but m-w.com has no entry. There's also no source/etemolgy at
> dictionary.com... Neat. I wonder what the hardcopy of Webster's says...
>
> James
> http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/
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In lugnet.castle, John DiRienzo writes:
> But aren't a farrier and a smith one and the same?
Nope. A farrier is different. A smith will quite happily make horseshoes,
but will tell you where to go if you ask him to put them on your horse. ;)
(Unless, of course, he's also a farrier) A farrier would shoe horses, as well
as repair saddles, bridles and other leatherwork. A town or a city would have
a farrier, while a village isn't likely to. In a small village, most people
would shoe their own horses (if they even had them) and oxen (if they
bothered). Or as often happened, someone in the village would have a knack
for it, and people would get Farmer Greg to shoe their horses, in exchange for
(whatever). Barter was big back then.
> Were there ferries in the days of Castles? Just wondering.
Yup. :) Ferries were common across rivers too deep to ford with a wagon, and
where there wasn't enough traffic to warrant a bridge (or stone to make one).
Odds are a village wouldn't have one - villages by a river would tend to be on
one side or the other. Towns would be the most likely to have a ferry, and
cities would almost certainly build bridges.
James
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:51:02 GMT, "James Brown"
<galliard@shades-of-night.com> wrote:
> In lugnet.castle, John DiRienzo writes:
> > But aren't a farrier and a smith one and the same?
>
> Nope. A farrier is different. A smith will quite happily make horseshoes,
> but will tell you where to go if you ask him to put them on your horse. ;)
> (Unless, of course, he's also a farrier) A farrier would shoe horses, as well
> as repair saddles, bridles and other leatherwork. A town or a city would have
There you go - the connection I wasn't making. The difference between
producing the thing made of iron and actually putting it to use -
shoeing the horse, and all the doo-dads you'd need for the horse,
sounds like. Never thought of it that way.
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:29:46 GMT, "John DiRienzo"
<ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote:
> that I can remember. But aren't a farrier and a smith one and the same?
Yes. Farrier is an alteration of a Middle English and French word
that meant blacksmith. Can't really imagine a smith making a living
solely on horse shoes, but then again, in a large city that might
support multiple smiths, maybe it could happen.
> Ferrier would make more sense to me for the spelling of the word, as it
> implies something do with iron, which is why I guessed it had something to
Yeah, the funny thing is the one that looks the most like ferrum,
which means iron, is ferrier, but it's actually derived from a
completely different word. Although I could ask one of my profs and
I'm sure he'd be able to find a connection someplace between the Latin
words for "to bear" and the word for "iron".
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In lugnet.castle, Mike Stanley writes:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:29:46 GMT, "John DiRienzo"
> <ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote:
>
> > that I can remember. But aren't a farrier and a smith one and the same?
Used to be. Now, the Farrier (and I was wrong, it is farrier, not ferrier) is
a horse of a different shoe :). I know a Farrier who I doubt is a blacksmith
(my wife's old boss). I know blacksmiths (self proclamed) who would be
frightened out of there minds by the thought of shoeing a horse.
>
> Yes. Farrier is an alteration of a Middle English and French word
> that meant blacksmith.
Can't really imagine a smith making a living
> solely on horse shoes, but then again, in a large city that might
> support multiple smiths, maybe it could happen.
Well...according to my wife, the shoes have to be replaced every 4-6 weeks.
This is with "plastic" shoes on "made" roads (tarmac). However, according to
Andrea, the shoes would have to come off every 4-6 weeks anyway, for the hoof
to be trimmed.
So, your guy can look after (rough estimates, any farriers here who do this
full time?) say 20 horses/day. So 20*5*6=600, therefore the farrier could
look after at most 600 horses. In a city, that is not that many, if they are
coming to you rather than you going to them :)(if you are going to them, and
not the other way around, you could probably half that number and still have a
fair/generous estimate)
James P
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Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote:
> > implies something do with iron, which is why I guessed it had something to
>
> Yeah, the funny thing is the one that looks the most like ferrum,
> which means iron, is ferrier, but it's actually derived from a
> completely different word. Although I could ask one of my profs and
> I'm sure he'd be able to find a connection someplace between the Latin
> words for "to bear" and the word for "iron".
Farrier, though, comes from the middle english "ferrour". Iron is definitely
involved.
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:43:59 GMT, mattdm@mattdm.org (Matthew Miller)
wrote:
> Mike Stanley <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote:
> > > implies something do with iron, which is why I guessed it had something to
> >
> > Yeah, the funny thing is the one that looks the most like ferrum,
> > which means iron, is ferrier, but it's actually derived from a
> > completely different word. Although I could ask one of my profs and
> > I'm sure he'd be able to find a connection someplace between the Latin
> > words for "to bear" and the word for "iron".
>
> Farrier, though, comes from the middle english "ferrour". Iron is definitely
> involved.
Yeah, I think I mentioned the ME in another post. 'Course, it came
through French also, so seeing the spelling get fowled up isn't any
big surprise, is it? :)
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:19:56 GMT, "James Powell"
<wx732@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> wrote:
>
> > A ferrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry
>
> Neg, as the other James pointed out, a Ferrier is someone who shoes
> horses...like my wife's old boss in Victoria.
Well, a fErrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry.
ferrier \Fer"ri*er\, n. A ferryman. --Calthrop
A fArrier is someone who shoes horses.
Both probably look the same, even going a ways back, but I would guess
that ferrier is ultimately dervied from the Latin verb fero, ferre,
tuli, latum, which means to bear, carry, etc.
Farrier seems to have been derived ultimately from the Latin ferrum,
meaning iron. Somewhere between Middle English and now ferrour,
blacksmith, became farrier.
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Mike Stanley wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:19:56 GMT, "James Powell"
> <wx732@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> > > A ferrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry
> >
> > Neg, as the other James pointed out, a Ferrier is someone who shoes
> > horses...like my wife's old boss in Victoria.
>
> Well, a fErrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry.
>
> ferrier \Fer"ri*er\, n. A ferryman. --Calthrop
>
> A fArrier is someone who shoes horses.
>
> Both probably look the same, even going a ways back, but I would guess
> that ferrier is ultimately dervied from the Latin verb fero, ferre,
> tuli, latum, which means to bear, carry, etc.
True. Fero/ferre is also a verb, whereas "ferrum" is a noun. As an
indicator, the periodic table's entry for iron is still (and will always
be) Fe.
> Farrier seems to have been derived ultimately from the Latin ferrum,
> meaning iron. Somewhere between Middle English and now ferrour,
> blacksmith, became farrier.
There's also a few others interesting Latin metallurgical terms running
around our world (and the LEGO one)--for example, lead in Latin was
"plumbium" [I can't remember if it was that or simply "plumbum") and it's
still Pb elementally; but that's where "plumbing" comes from, because the
Roman system was all lead. Dain bramage! Similarly, tin was "Stannum,"
(now "Sn" on the ol' table), which gives us the current forename Stan and
the surname Stanner (a tinworker). There has been a suggestion that
"Standish" comes from this as well, but it seems more likely that "stand"
is the basis there.
One of my housemates' surnames is "Farrar." I'm pretty sure that's a
mutation of "Farrier." A colleague of mine who owns a horse also defined
"Farrier" as "One Who Gets Kicked By Horses."
best,
Lindsay
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In lugnet.castle, Mike Stanley writes:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:40:00 GMT, "John DiRienzo"
> <ig88888888@stlnet.com> wrote:
>
> > > such essential duties as a Blacksmith, fletcher, butcher, baker, carpenter,
> > > hobbler, ferrier, etc. These "professionals" would be granted land for • their
> > > workshop and usually would dwell in the same building.
> >
> > OK, I got out the dictionary, and still don't know what some of the words
> > you used are. What is ferrier? Hobbler?
>
> A ferrier is someone who maintains or operates a ferry - fairly
> important work if your town is located near or on a river. Hobbler?
> No idea. A cobbler is a shoemaker, but that's the only similar
> sounding word I can think of.
>
>
>
OK, I was in a hurry and didn't spell check... I meant farrier, as in the
person who shoes horses, actually considered a different occupation from the
black smith who makes the shows. I also meant Cobbler, as in the person who
cures leather and makes shoes and makes, as opposed to a Hobbler which is used
to keep horses from running away!
Dan
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In lugnet.castle, Daniel Siskind writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
> > Most of us here have explored many castle basic structures:
> >
> > 1) Castles
> > 2) Taverns
> > 3) Churches
> > 4) etc...
>
>
> I am actually working on a whole castle village's worth of custom models at
> the moment... and here are the ideas I'm developing:
>
> Town Well: As mentioned in other posts - the focal point of the town.
A crossroads may also be the center of town, but that would probably make the
town less of the "backwards village" Pawel seems to want.
>
> Wind Mill: Another essential focal point of town life where the peasant mill
> their grains, store their flour, and of course where the local landlord's
> taxes are collected.
This is highly terrain dependant. Watermills would probably be more likely, as
a windmill would really only be ideal in areas of high wind, such as the tops
of high hills (the funnel effect increases the wind speed). Watermills
basically come in two varieties, ones with a dammed-up millpond and ones that
don't. The ones without a millpond have the waterwheel dip into the stream
itself, whereas the ones with a millpond use a gutter to channel the water over
the wheel. Damming would probably only occur where the only available streams
are slow moving.
>
> Church: As the counter balance to the Landlord system, the peasants gave
> freely to the Church and it was often the largest building in any village,
> likely to be the only one made of stone.
If this is a non-Christian or fantasy society, a nature or harvest diety would
be the best choice for the local temple.
> Blacksmith and other workshops: the local landlord usually gave a charter for
> such essential duties as a Blacksmith, fletcher, butcher, baker, carpenter,
> hobbler, ferrier, etc. These "professionals" would be granted land for their
> workshop and usually would dwell in the same building.
You may also want to include a cooper, as they were pretty important. Barrels
were probably one of the best ways to store and ship things such as fruit,
grain, flour, beverages, and nails. Besides, it'd give you an excuse to use
many of the barrels that we all seem to have surplusses of. ;)
>
> Adventurer's shop: While not of any historical value, why not have one of
> those shops where the young adventurer get's equiped to seek fortune and fame
> and get those necessary items like suits of chainmail, magic wands, and the
> all important Scroll of Healing.
Since Pawel seems to want a little, poor village, this shop would not make any
money. I would only expect a store of this type to be found in large towns and
cities, or villages along well-traveled routes.
Jeff
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Stembel writes:
> This is highly terrain dependant. Watermills would probably be more likely, as
> a windmill would really only be ideal in areas of high wind, such as the tops
> of high hills (the funnel effect increases the wind speed). Watermills
> basically come in two varieties, ones with a dammed-up millpond and ones that
> don't. The ones without a millpond have the waterwheel dip into the stream
> itself, whereas the ones with a millpond use a gutter to channel the water over
> the wheel. Damming would probably only occur where the only available streams
> are slow moving.
Windmills were probably a lot more common than you may think as there still
exists a great deal of them in Europe, especially the low countries, which date
back to the middle ages. Many castles and towns would also have them on wall
towers so they are within the defenses, Krak des Chevlers in Syria being one of
the most famous examples.
> You may also want to include a cooper, as they were pretty important. Barrels
> were probably one of the best ways to store and ship things such as fruit,
> grain, flour, beverages, and nails. Besides, it'd give you an excuse to use
> many of the barrels that we all seem to have surplusses of. ;)
Great idea! Maybe even include a Fishmonger (to fill the barrels with Ninja
fish) and a dragon named Jabberwocky too! :)
Dan
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Aside from some arguing about spelling, etc, I think we can safely say that Dave
E set a precedent with village building. What should the next challenge be?
"Build a water-mill with a roof." Just kidding. Well done Dave! (I'm
seriously impressed by the set-up ... )
-- pn ;)
In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
> Most of us here have explored many castle basic structures:
>
> 1) Castles
> 2) Taverns
> 3) Churches
> 4) etc...
>
> For my next little project, I'm going to be working on a village - a very small
> village which might have three houses and a square. So my question comes - what
> SHOULD a small village contain? A town square? And what should be there?
>
> Should I use the wooden elements, or focus on tan? Ideally, I will try to stay
> away from gray and black - and most other colors ... This should be a dirty
> little place where poor people live. This is exactly the type of place that my
> two young heroes will try to get away from - because life in this kind of place
> is hell. It's hell because this place has no future.
>
> So here are my thoughts so far:
>
> 1) I will focus on having tan and brown all over - with maybe black and a
> little bit of gray - very little. Dark gray is preferable.
> 2) I will use tan baseplates - and maybe one of the road plates from Bandit's
> Hideout. Maybe two.
>
> So my challege goes out for those of you with resources to design a house or two
> that would meet these criteria. For those that don't have resources, I would
> like to have your opinion: What should this place look like? Maybe one of you
> could help me with the layout. I think I gave a pretty good idea of what I'm
> looking for ... and now I need feedback because there are tons of creative guys
> and gals out there, so I hoped for a collective effort on this ...
>
> Thanks and I'm looking forward to hearing you ideas ...
>
> -- pn
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In lugnet.castle, Pawel Nazarewicz writes:
> Aside from some arguing about spelling, etc, I think we can safely say that
> Dave E set a precedent with village building. What should the next challenge
> be?
>
> "Build a water-mill with a roof." Just kidding. Well done Dave! (I'm
> seriously impressed by the set-up ... )
No! That's part of the mechanism! The main area of the mill works as a catch
basin when it rains, which powers the water wheel! ... Yeah... that's the
ticket... I MEANT for it to be that way! Yeah...
I just wish I had more money to spend on ABS... I need about 5-10 more houses
before it really starts to become something that fulfills my "grand vision"
(well, ok, it would take about 50 houses to make that :( ) and sadly enough,
each roof costs about $30-$40 to make! (All those tan plates really add up!)
Not to mention that I'm basically out of 1x1 black bricks! I'll need to start
using 1x1x5's pretty soon :( Maybe if I wish really hard, Lego Direct will
offer tan plates....
DaveE
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In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
>
> I just wish I had more money to spend on ABS... I need about 5-10 more houses
> before it really starts to become something that fulfills my "grand vision"
> (well, ok, it would take about 50 houses to make that :( ) and sadly enough,
> each roof costs about $30-$40 to make! (All those tan plates really add up!)
Maybe I missed or forgot this, but is there a reason you're only using
tan? I think that yellow plates would work well for a thatched roof, and
they'd add a bit of needed color to your town.
Alternately, don't use plates at all - use bricks! After all, a thatched
roof is basically made of straw, and they had to put it on pretty darn
thick for it to be both waterproof and insulating. (I also think that in
older houses they generally just put the new thatch on top of the old
stuff when it needed to be replaced) You might even be able to find some
2x3 bricks with the rounded ends - I'm pretty sure those exist - to use
for the eaves.
J
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In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> >
> > I just wish I had more money to spend on ABS... I need about 5-10 more houses
> > before it really starts to become something that fulfills my "grand vision"
> > (well, ok, it would take about 50 houses to make that :( ) and sadly enough,
> > each roof costs about $30-$40 to make! (All those tan plates really add up!)
>
> Maybe I missed or forgot this, but is there a reason you're only using
> tan? I think that yellow plates would work well for a thatched roof, and
> they'd add a bit of needed color to your town.
I thought about yellow briefly, but I never actually used it to try it out...
maybe I'll give that a go and see how it looks...
> Alternately, don't use plates at all - use bricks! After all, a thatched
> roof is basically made of straw, and they had to put it on pretty darn
> thick for it to be both waterproof and insulating. (I also think that in
> older houses they generally just put the new thatch on top of the old
> stuff when it needed to be replaced) You might even be able to find some
> 2x3 bricks with the rounded ends - I'm pretty sure those exist - to use
> for the eaves.
The only reason I'm not using tan bricks is actually to save them for potential
future structures and landscaping... eventually the mill will be next to a
river (with green grass on the side, and slightly raised so the wheel can dip
into the stream), so I'll use tan and green bricks to fade from tan blend a bit
more from tan to green by the riverside... BUT... I suppose I COULD try using
the heiroglyphic 1x2x5 and 1x6x5's turned over to hide the writing.... hmm.....
maybe I'll play around with that (although I do like the roughness of showing
studs on the top of the roofs... I'll have to test it out...)
Thanks for the ideas!
DaveE
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In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> >
> > Maybe I missed or forgot this, but is there a reason you're only using
> > tan? I think that yellow plates would work well for a thatched roof, and
> > they'd add a bit of needed color to your town.
>
> I thought about yellow briefly, but I never actually used it to try it out...
> maybe I'll give that a go and see how it looks...
>
> > Alternately, don't use plates at all - use bricks! After all, a thatched
> > roof is basically made of straw, and they had to put it on pretty darn
> > thick for it to be both waterproof and insulating. (I also think that in
> > older houses they generally just put the new thatch on top of the old
> > stuff when it needed to be replaced) You might even be able to find some
> > 2x3 bricks with the rounded ends - I'm pretty sure those exist - to use
> > for the eaves.
>
> The only reason I'm not using tan bricks is actually to save them for
> potential
> future structures and landscaping... eventually the mill will be next to a
> river (with green grass on the side, and slightly raised so the wheel can dip
> into the stream), so I'll use tan and green bricks to fade from tan blend a
> bit
> more from tan to green by the riverside... BUT... I suppose I COULD try using
> the heiroglyphic 1x2x5 and 1x6x5's turned over to hide the writing....
> hmm.....
> maybe I'll play around with that (although I do like the roughness of showing
> studs on the top of the roofs... I'll have to test it out...)
BTW, with all the talk about removing printing from bricks - why not
use "brasso" and take off the heiroglyphic print? I haven't experinmented with
it (yet) but many people said it worked for them...
I might try it too after I get my collection back...
-Shiri
http://www.geocities.com/shiri_lego/
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In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> > more from tan to green by the riverside... BUT... I suppose I COULD try using
> > the heiroglyphic 1x2x5 and 1x6x5's turned over to hide the writing....
> > hmm..... maybe I'll play around with that (although I do like the roughness
> > of showing studs on the top of the roofs... I'll have to test it out...)
>
> BTW, with all the talk about removing printing from bricks - why not
> use "brasso" and take off the heiroglyphic print? I haven't experinmented with
> it (yet) but many people said it worked for them...
> I might try it too after I get my collection back...
Well... I have a tendancy of not disfiguring my Lego no matter how hideous it
may be-- I have no idea why... must be a "purity of Lego" complex... Plus one
of my other projects that I want to do someday is have a huge Egyptian
temple/tomb... and the heiroglyphic pieces are key for that! The only piece
I've actually found myself considering for brasso are those ugly, ugly, ugly
UFO 1/4 discs... I HATE those pieces... they'd ALMOST be BARELY useful... but
no.... "Let's put ugly designs on them that CAN'T be used for ANYTHING else
thanks to the wonderful UFO logo!" At least the MF will have semi-usable
printing! (sorry for ranting... I just hate that piece... can you tell? And
I've got about 30 of 'em, just sitting there USELESS! GAH! But if I ever DO
decide to brasso them, I have just about enough to do the rebel power
generator for Hoth.... someday... someday...)
DaveE, hater of the UFO logo extraordinaire
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In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Shiri Dori writes:
> > In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> > > more from tan to green by the riverside... BUT... I suppose I COULD try • using
> > > the heiroglyphic 1x2x5 and 1x6x5's turned over to hide the writing....
> > > hmm..... maybe I'll play around with that (although I do like the roughness
> > > of showing studs on the top of the roofs... I'll have to test it out...)
> >
> > BTW, with all the talk about removing printing from bricks - why not
> > use "brasso" and take off the heiroglyphic print? I haven't experinmented • with
> > it (yet) but many people said it worked for them...
> > I might try it too after I get my collection back...
>
> Well... I have a tendancy of not disfiguring my Lego no matter how hideous it
> may be-- I have no idea why... must be a "purity of Lego" complex... Plus one
> of my other projects that I want to do someday is have a huge Egyptian
> temple/tomb... and the heiroglyphic pieces are key for that! The only piece
> I've actually found myself considering for brasso are those ugly, ugly, ugly
> UFO 1/4 discs... I HATE those pieces... they'd ALMOST be BARELY useful... but
> no.... "Let's put ugly designs on them that CAN'T be used for ANYTHING else
> thanks to the wonderful UFO logo!" At least the MF will have semi-usable
> printing! (sorry for ranting... I just hate that piece... can you tell? And
> I've got about 30 of 'em, just sitting there USELESS! GAH! But if I ever DO
> decide to brasso them, I have just about enough to do the rebel power
> generator for Hoth.... someday... someday...)
>
> DaveE, hater of the UFO logo extraordinaire
LOL! You're not the only one. But and if you don't want them, many people will
be glad to take them off your hands and remove the print themselves...
-Shiri
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In lugnet.castle, David Eaton writes:
> In lugnet.castle, Jeff Johnston writes:
> >
> > Maybe I missed or forgot this, but is there a reason you're only using
> > tan? I think that yellow plates would work well for a thatched roof, and
> > they'd add a bit of needed color to your town.
>
> I thought about yellow briefly, but I never actually used it to try it out...
> maybe I'll give that a go and see how it looks...
I suspect it'll look OK, maybe a bit bright - but then again, all LEGO
colors tend to be 'a bit bright' so it ought to be OK. Besides, LEGO hay
has traditionally been yellow in all the old castle sets. 8)
> > Alternately, don't use plates at all - use bricks! After all, a thatched
> > roof is basically made of straw, and they had to put it on pretty darn
> > thick for it to be both waterproof and insulating.
> I suppose I COULD try using
> the heiroglyphic 1x2x5 and 1x6x5's turned over to hide the writing.... hmm.....
> maybe I'll play around with that (although I do like the roughness of showing
> studs on the top of the roofs... I'll have to test it out...)
Actually, I was thinking of using 2x4 bricks and such, so that you'd still
have the studs on top of the roof. It'd be a very thick thatched roof,
but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Alsao, if you find yourself with a completed house and not enough plates
to roof it, you could always put on part of a roof, and have a couple of
minifigs working on laying down new thatch. 8)
J
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Jefff wrote:
> You might even be able to find some
> 2x3 bricks with the rounded ends - I'm pretty sure those exist - to use
> for the eaves.
See here:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kwilson_tccs/nocottag.jpg
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kwilson_tccs/ntcottg.jpg
Kevin
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In lugnet.castle, Kevin Wilson writes:
> Jefff wrote:
> > You might even be able to find some
> > 2x3 bricks with the rounded ends - I'm pretty sure those exist - to use
> > for the eaves.
>
> See here:
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kwilson_tccs/nocottag.jpg
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kwilson_tccs/ntcottg.jpg
Cool! I saw this once before but it looks even better in this context ;-)
If I had those 2x3 bricks I'd start a peasant's house today!
-Shiri
Franz and Siffera's wedding is coming soon!
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