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Subject: 
Son of Walker
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lugnet.announce.moc, lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.technic
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lugnet.technic
Date: 
Wed, 2 Apr 2003 05:44:30 GMT
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This walker is the refined version of the walker I just built on Sunday that
I kept dreaming about while futily trying to render the quicktimes of the
Runner at the setting: limit data rate to 90K.
After two hours of horidly unpublishible 25 minute renders, I gave up, came
home and refined the walker.  Boy was i sleepy today!

THE RESULT

Son of Walker

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=38966

this moc uses 38 pieces including the elastic and the electrode.

can a walker be smaller?

-tk

PS  Video coming tomorrow


Subject: 
Re: Son of Walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.robotics, lugnet.technic
Date: 
Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:21:14 GMT
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OK, last time I saw one of these mini-walkers, I got excited and
printed a picture, went home, and tried to build it.  After squinting
and experimenting I had to conclude that there were at least three
non-RIS parts being used.  I did eventually get something that almost
worked, but the stride was way too large.

So...  Is there a way to build a mini-walker using only RIS parts?

--
Darin Johnson
    "Particle Man, Particle Man, doing the things a particle can"


Subject: 
younger brother of the son of the walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Thu, 3 Apr 2003 06:26:11 GMT
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"travis" <phree@attbi.com> wrote in message news:HCpBuo.1CIw@lugnet.com...
This walker is the refined version of the walker I just built on Sunday that
I kept dreaming about while futily trying to render the quicktimes of the
Runner at the setting: limit data rate to 90K.
After two hours of horidly unpublishible 25 minute renders, I gave up, came
home and refined the walker.  Boy was i sleepy today!

THE RESULT

Son of Walker

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=38966

this moc uses 38 pieces including the elastic and the electrode.

can a walker be smaller?

absolutely can be smaller (in terms of pieces count)
let say this is younger brother of the son of the walker

DL
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini02/mini02_01.jpg

PM
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39163

regards
pixel

btw: it uses 28 pieces


Subject: 
Re: younger brother of the son of the walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:38:33 GMT
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took a cue or two from you and reduced the thing to 25 parts.  pics coming
tomorrow.

-tk

"pixel" <pixsrv@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
news:HCr8Lo.1B12@lugnet.com...

"travis" <phree@attbi.com> wrote in message news:HCpBuo.1CIw@lugnet.com...
This walker is the refined version of the walker I just built on Sunday • that
I kept dreaming about while futily trying to render the quicktimes of • the
Runner at the setting: limit data rate to 90K.
After two hours of horidly unpublishible 25 minute renders, I gave up, • came
home and refined the walker.  Boy was i sleepy today!

THE RESULT

Son of Walker

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=38966

this moc uses 38 pieces including the elastic and the electrode.

can a walker be smaller?

absolutely can be smaller (in terms of pieces count)
let say this is younger brother of the son of the walker

DL
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini02/mini02_01.jpg

PM
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39163

regards
pixel

btw: it uses 28 pieces




Subject: 
Re: Son of Walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.robotics, lugnet.technic
Date: 
Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:39:07 GMT
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In lugnet.robotics, Darin Johnson writes:
OK, last time I saw one of these mini-walkers, I got excited and
printed a picture, went home, and tried to build it.  After squinting
and experimenting I had to conclude that there were at least three
non-RIS parts being used.  I did eventually get something that almost
worked, but the stride was way too large. • .>
So...  Is there a way to build a mini-walker using only RIS parts?


Absolutely, I've built a few little walkers using only parts from RIS 1.5
(2.0 has the same pieces also) they're not quite as small as you can get if
you pick parts from an unlimited selection, but they're pretty small. If a
good number of people want to know how to make one of these, I might put
some pics and/or instructions for one on my page on Brickshelf.

-jrl


Subject: 
UPDATED Son of Walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:42:01 GMT
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now check out the video to see just how miserably slow this slacker is.

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/elkane/Mindstorms/Son-of-Walker/son_of_wal
ker.mov

enjoy

-tk


Subject: 
Re: younger brother of the son of the walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:53:44 GMT
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"travis" <phree@attbi.com> wrote in message news:HCrEKy.1rzo@lugnet.com...
took a cue or two from you and reduced the thing to 25 parts.  pics coming
tomorrow.

travis my friend
give it up
i did mini03 which uses 21 pieces but i'm at work now so i've got to go home :)
and check if it will work
now i've got just mlcad files but i'll wait for your moc!!!

br
pixel


Subject: 
Re: UPDATED Son of Walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Thu, 3 Apr 2003 15:37:33 GMT
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In lugnet.technic, Travis Kunce writes:
now check out the video to see just how miserably slow this slacker is.

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/elkane/Mindstorms/Son-of-Walker/son_of_wal
ker.mov

enjoy

-tk

Lol! It takes someone with sense of humor to rip on their own stuff like
that. Also, speaking of the family tree thing, I guess that this could be
called the second cousin of Twirp, once removed. :)

-jrl


Subject: 
Re: Son of Walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.robotics, lugnet.technic
Date: 
Thu, 3 Apr 2003 19:23:11 GMT
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Two examples, designed by Hiroki SHIRAKAWA, http://www.shirakawas.com/
(mainly japanese), with building instructions on my site,
http://www.philohome.com/gonsuke/gonsuke.htm

Philo
www.philohome.com


So...  Is there a way to build a mini-walker using only RIS parts?


Subject: 
baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:08:07 GMT
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"travis" <phree@attbi.com> wrote in message news:HCpBuo.1CIw@lugnet.com...

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=38966
this moc uses 38 pieces including the elastic and the electrode.
can a walker be smaller?

hi
it's me again :)))
well i need some help with mlcad
as you can see on the ldr file
i didn't bent flex axle
if someone would tell me if there is a primitive part
of the end shape of flexible axle...
i would use it in flexible tubbing plugin in mlcad

but i belive that everyone will imagine
how it should be in model
the free end of flex axle sould be put into the second triangle part
to suround the walker body

so
my baby walker uses... 16 pieces

it has just one leg :)
but works (walks) perfectly ok

DL
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_01.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_02.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05.ldr

PM
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39260

let me know what do you think
is it still walker? :)))

regards
pixel


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Fri, 4 Apr 2003 08:26:48 GMT
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In lugnet.technic, Paul Kleniewski writes:

"travis" <phree@attbi.com> wrote in message news:HCpBuo.1CIw@lugnet.com...

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=38966
this moc uses 38 pieces including the elastic and the electrode.
can a walker be smaller?

hi
it's me again :)))
well i need some help with mlcad
as you can see on the ldr file
i didn't bent flex axle
if someone would tell me if there is a primitive part
of the end shape of flexible axle...
i would use it in flexible tubbing plugin in mlcad

but i belive that everyone will imagine
how it should be in model
the free end of flex axle sould be put into the second triangle part
to suround the walker body

so
my baby walker uses... 16 pieces

it has just one leg :)
but works (walks) perfectly ok

DL
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_01.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_02.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05.ldr

PM
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39260

let me know what do you think
is it still walker? :)))

regards
pixel


Man, these things are gettin' small :). I just had an idea for something
like this. I'm not sure if this could be called a walker because the body
touches the ground as it goes along, but it's a cute little monopod :).


-jrl


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:06:52 GMT
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Hi Pixel,

That's minimalist art !

The end primitive is a stretched stud3a.dat

Here is a modified ldr, done with Orion Pobursky's flexible part plugin for
LDDesignPad (http://www.pobursky.com/Ldraw.htm)
http://www.philohome.com/misc/mini05bent.ldr

Image: http://www.philohome.com/misc/mini05.jpg
(brickshelf seems to be down at this time)

Cheers,
Philo
www.philohome.com

well i need some help with mlcad
as you can see on the ldr file
i didn't bent flex axle
if someone would tell me if there is a primitive part
of the end shape of flexible axle...

regards
pixel


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:12:46 GMT
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Hi Paul,

  My flexible part synthesizer named LSynth
(http://www.users.qwest.net/~kclague) supports flexible axles.

Kevin

In lugnet.technic, Paul Kleniewski writes:

"travis" <phree@attbi.com> wrote in message news:HCpBuo.1CIw@lugnet.com...

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=38966
this moc uses 38 pieces including the elastic and the electrode.
can a walker be smaller?

hi
it's me again :)))
well i need some help with mlcad
as you can see on the ldr file
i didn't bent flex axle
if someone would tell me if there is a primitive part
of the end shape of flexible axle...
i would use it in flexible tubbing plugin in mlcad

but i belive that everyone will imagine
how it should be in model
the free end of flex axle sould be put into the second triangle part
to suround the walker body

so
my baby walker uses... 16 pieces

it has just one leg :)
but works (walks) perfectly ok

DL
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_01.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_02.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05.ldr

PM
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39260

let me know what do you think
is it still walker? :)))

regards
pixel


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:10:02 GMT
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"Philippe Hurbain" <philohome@free.fr> wrote in message news:HCtLrG.2454@lugnet.com...
Hi Pixel,

That's minimalist art !

i've got another one idea to make it smaller

The end primitive is a stretched stud3a.dat

Here is a modified ldr, done with Orion Pobursky's flexible part plugin for
LDDesignPad (http://www.pobursky.com/Ldraw.htm)
http://www.philohome.com/misc/mini05bent.ldr

Image: http://www.philohome.com/misc/mini05.jpg
(brickshelf seems to be down at this time)

thanx a lot philo


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:11:05 GMT
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"Kevin L. Clague" <kevin_clague@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HCtM1A.24v6@lugnet.com...
Hi Paul,

  My flexible part synthesizer named LSynth
(http://www.users.qwest.net/~kclague) supports flexible axles.

i have some problems with installing it
but during weekend i'll try to do it
thanx mate

pixel


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:17:22 GMT
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In lugnet.technic, Paul Kleniewski writes:

"travis" <phree@attbi.com> wrote in message news:HCpBuo.1CIw@lugnet.com...

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=38966
this moc uses 38 pieces including the elastic and the electrode.
can a walker be smaller?

hi
it's me again :)))
well i need some help with mlcad
as you can see on the ldr file
i didn't bent flex axle
if someone would tell me if there is a primitive part
of the end shape of flexible axle...
i would use it in flexible tubbing plugin in mlcad

but i belive that everyone will imagine
how it should be in model
the free end of flex axle sould be put into the second triangle part
to suround the walker body

so
my baby walker uses... 16 pieces

it has just one leg :)
but works (walks) perfectly ok

Paul,

  Very cool!  It has two legs though...  The second leg is the motor itself
IMHO.  It just doesn't have a body :^)

Kevin

DL
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_01.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_02.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05.ldr

PM
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39260

let me know what do you think
is it still walker? :)))

regards
pixel


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:36:18 GMT
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Hi Paul,
  FYI.  I tried to add the flexible axle using LSynth, and it didn't do as
well as Orion's LLDP plug in.

  Looks like work on LSynth might start up soon to improve things.
Kevin

In lugnet.technic, Paul Kleniewski writes:

"Kevin L. Clague" <kevin_clague@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HCtM1A.24v6@lugnet.com...
Hi Paul,

  My flexible part synthesizer named LSynth
(http://www.users.qwest.net/~kclague) supports flexible axles.

i have some problems with installing it
but during weekend i'll try to do it
thanx mate

pixel


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:48:17 GMT
Reply-To: 
Øyvind Steinnes <phoenix@online#stopspam#.no>
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hi
it's me again :)))
well i need some help with mlcad
as you can see on the ldr file
i didn't bent flex axle
if someone would tell me if there is a primitive part
of the end shape of flexible axle...
i would use it in flexible tubbing plugin in mlcad

but i belive that everyone will imagine
how it should be in model
the free end of flex axle sould be put into the second triangle part
to suround the walker body

so
my baby walker uses... 16 pieces

it has just one leg :)
but works (walks) perfectly ok

Well, I'm sure you can make it smaller :)
I don't have the micromotor myself so I cant try it out.
Can you connect the crankshaft directly too the motor some way?
What is the output from the micromotor? A short cross axel or what?
I've seen somebody used part 2983 (Electric Technic Micromotor Pulley) on
the micromotor, is there a way to connect a Technic Axel 2 to this pulley
and then the Chrankshaft to that axel?

Just an idea without having the micromotor myself....
I want one now, after seeing all those microsize robots :)


Regards
Øyvind Steinnes
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=Phoenix






DL
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_01.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_02.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05.ldr

PM
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39260

let me know what do you think
is it still walker? :)))

regards
pixel




Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Sat, 5 Apr 2003 08:52:03 GMT
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In lugnet.technic, Øyvind Steinnes writes:
hi
it's me again :)))
well i need some help with mlcad
as you can see on the ldr file
i didn't bent flex axle
if someone would tell me if there is a primitive part
of the end shape of flexible axle...
i would use it in flexible tubbing plugin in mlcad

but i belive that everyone will imagine
how it should be in model
the free end of flex axle sould be put into the second triangle part
to suround the walker body

so
my baby walker uses... 16 pieces

it has just one leg :)
but works (walks) perfectly ok

Well, I'm sure you can make it smaller :)
I don't have the micromotor myself so I cant try it out.
Can you connect the crankshaft directly too the motor some way?
What is the output from the micromotor? A short cross axel or what?
I've seen somebody used part 2983 (Electric Technic Micromotor Pulley) on
the micromotor, is there a way to connect a Technic Axel 2 to this pulley
and then the Chrankshaft to that axel?

Just an idea without having the micromotor myself....
I want one now, after seeing all those microsize robots :)


Regards
Øyvind Steinnes
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?m=Phoenix






DL
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_01.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_02.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05.ldr

PM
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39260

let me know what do you think
is it still walker? :)))

regards
pixel







I've got an idea for a walker similar to this one that only uses seven pieces!
I can't try it out yet because I don't have a micro motor yet either, but it
seems like it should work. It uses a 1x2 technic brick with 2 holes
connected directly to the micro motor (the output is the shape of a regular
stud BTW) which is then connected to an 11.5 long double bent liftarm with a
technic pin. Also, it has a 2x4 brick under the motor for stability and uses
a 19 long flexible axle to make up the rest of the foot.

-jrl


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:01:47 GMT
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(canceled)


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
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Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:04:39 GMT
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Øyvind Steinnes's utterance expressed in news:HCtvwx.vt2@lugnet.com:

Well, I'm sure you can make it smaller :)
I don't have the micromotor myself so I cant try it out.
Can you connect the crankshaft directly too the motor some way?
What is the output from the micromotor? A short cross axel or what?
I've seen somebody used part 2983 (Electric Technic Micromotor Pulley) on
the micromotor, is there a way to connect a Technic Axel 2 to this pulley
and then the Chrankshaft to that axel?

Just an idea without having the micromotor myself....
I want one now, after seeing all those microsize robots :)



Trouble is.. the micro motor is equipped with a small
platic ring that only fits the pulley what comes with it.

http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/2986 - motor

http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/2983 - pulley

The pulley can hold an crossaxle or/and a rubber band,
but it does take up 1 stud to the side  :(

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Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic, lugnet.robotics
Date: 
Sat, 5 Apr 2003 11:03:53 GMT
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It works!
http://www.philohome.com/misc/walker7.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/walker7b.jpg

...but stability is obtained more from wire stiffness than from 2x4 brick
(not heavy enough, without wire motor would turn over when in topmost position)

Cheers,

Philo
www.philohome.com


I've got an idea for a walker similar to this one that only uses seven pieces!
I can't try it out yet because I don't have a micro motor yet either, but it
seems like it should work. It uses a 1x2 technic brick with 2 holes
connected directly to the micro motor (the output is the shape of a regular
stud BTW) which is then connected to an 11.5 long double bent liftarm with a
technic pin. Also, it has a 2x4 brick under the motor for stability and uses
a 19 long flexible axle to make up the rest of the foot.

-jrl


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic, lugnet.robotics
Date: 
Sat, 5 Apr 2003 13:21:45 GMT
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In lugnet.technic, Philippe Hurbain writes:
It works!
http://www.philohome.com/misc/walker7.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/walker7b.jpg

...but stability is obtained more from wire stiffness than from 2x4 brick
(not heavy enough, without wire motor would turn over when in topmost position)

Cheers,

Philo
www.philohome.com


I've got an idea for a walker similar to this one that only uses seven pieces!
I can't try it out yet because I don't have a micro motor yet either, but it
seems like it should work. It uses a 1x2 technic brick with 2 holes
connected directly to the micro motor (the output is the shape of a regular
stud BTW) which is then connected to an 11.5 long double bent liftarm with a
technic pin. Also, it has a 2x4 brick under the motor for stability and uses
a 19 long flexible axle to make up the rest of the foot.

-jrl


Cool! I figured that the stiffness of the wire would help. I guess I'll call
it Shorty ,as it's only a little over an inch tall :). Now I've just got to
get that micro motor ordered so I can try it out myself. I'm wondering if
you could try out a slightly different design for me. It wouldn't use the
block under the motor (because as you said, the wire helps more than it
does) and it would use a 1x7 bent liftarm connected to a 16 long flexible
axle or flex hose of similar length. You could try it without a brick under
the motor or with a 2x2 plate there. If you could let me know how it works
out, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

jrl


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic, lugnet.robotics
Date: 
Sat, 5 Apr 2003 17:56:16 GMT
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...and then they were five...

The 1x7 liftarm is a bit short and the motor bumps against the flexible axle.
So I used a 1x9 (7+2) to be low enough, and I could remove Micromotor bottom.
I used a 1x2 liftarm with plate only for aestetical reasons...

Photos:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5a.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5b.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5c.jpg
Small QuickTime movie:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5b.mov (200KB)

I guess it will be hard to get a lower part count ;o)

Philo
www.philohome.com

Cool! I figured that the stiffness of the wire would help. I guess I'll call
it Shorty ,as it's only a little over an inch tall :). Now I've just got to
get that micro motor ordered so I can try it out myself. I'm wondering if
you could try out a slightly different design for me. It wouldn't use the
block under the motor (because as you said, the wire helps more than it
does) and it would use a 1x7 bent liftarm connected to a 16 long flexible
axle or flex hose of similar length. You could try it without a brick under
the motor or with a 2x2 plate there. If you could let me know how it works
out, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

jrl


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.technic
Date: 
Sat, 5 Apr 2003 18:09:31 GMT
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I got into a big debate at the bar last night as to whether this is a walker
or not.  Believe me, by the end I found myself arguing for this bot's place
as a walker.  but that was last night and I had too much to drink.  this bot
deserves to be in a different category.  whats different about this bot
essentially is that it doesn't ever fall forward or backward while moving.
it more or less lifts itself and shifts.
I guess that i'd say this is not a walker for that reason. its some kind of
stomp bot.
still its amazing how small you got this thing.  However this bot is
definately not as cute as the twirp inspired symetrical upright walkers
though.  I think that this bot might find a better use as part of a
caterpillar locomotion system or something.

good work.

-tk

"pixel" <pixsrv@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
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"travis" <phree@attbi.com> wrote in message news:HCpBuo.1CIw@lugnet.com...

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=38966
this moc uses 38 pieces including the elastic and the electrode.
can a walker be smaller?

hi
it's me again :)))
well i need some help with mlcad
as you can see on the ldr file
i didn't bent flex axle
if someone would tell me if there is a primitive part
of the end shape of flexible axle...
i would use it in flexible tubbing plugin in mlcad

but i belive that everyone will imagine
how it should be in model
the free end of flex axle sould be put into the second triangle part
to suround the walker body

so
my baby walker uses... 16 pieces

it has just one leg :)
but works (walks) perfectly ok

DL
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_01.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05_02.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini05/mini05.ldr

PM
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39260

let me know what do you think
is it still walker? :)))

regards
pixel




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after watching that film, i got to say that this is fun but its totally not
a walker.  first foremost for that leg drag,  I'd rename this Igor or
somthing.

-tk

"Philippe Hurbain" <philohome@free.fr> wrote in message
news:HCvtts.nF@lugnet.com...
...and then they were five...

The 1x7 liftarm is a bit short and the motor bumps against the flexible • axle.
So I used a 1x9 (7+2) to be low enough, and I could remove Micromotor • bottom.
I used a 1x2 liftarm with plate only for aestetical reasons...

Photos:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5a.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5b.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5c.jpg
Small QuickTime movie:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5b.mov (200KB)

I guess it will be hard to get a lower part count ;o)

Philo
www.philohome.com

Cool! I figured that the stiffness of the wire would help. I guess I'll • call
it Shorty ,as it's only a little over an inch tall :). Now I've just got • to
get that micro motor ordered so I can try it out myself. I'm wondering if
you could try out a slightly different design for me. It wouldn't use the
block under the motor (because as you said, the wire helps more than it
does) and it would use a 1x7 bent liftarm connected to a 16 long flexible
axle or flex hose of similar length. You could try it without a brick • under
the motor or with a 2x2 plate there. If you could let me know how it • works
out, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

jrl


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In lugnet.technic, Philippe Hurbain writes:
...and then they were five...

The 1x7 liftarm is a bit short and the motor bumps against the flexible axle.
So I used a 1x9 (7+2) to be low enough, and I could remove Micromotor bottom.
I used a 1x2 liftarm with plate only for aestetical reasons...

Photos:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5a.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5b.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5c.jpg
Small QuickTime movie:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5b.mov (200KB)

I guess it will be hard to get a lower part count ;o)

Philo
www.philohome.com





Very cool!

Thanks for trying out the design for me, I would have worked on it myself,
but I'm glad you could help me out. I'm wondering, did the design with 7
pieces get its foot totally off the ground? I think lego is actually making
a two-long liftarm now, but I used the closest thing I had. I'm also
wondering if it would be okay with you if I used some of your pictures for
my gallery at brickshelf, since I can't take any right now.

Thanks again,

jrl


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
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In lugnet.technic, Philippe Hurbain writes:
...and then they were five...

The 1x7 liftarm is a bit short and the motor bumps against the flexible axle.
So I used a 1x9 (7+2) to be low enough, and I could remove Micromotor bottom.
I used a 1x2 liftarm with plate only for aestetical reasons...

Photos:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5a.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5b.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5c.jpg
Small QuickTime movie:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5b.mov (200KB)

I guess it will be hard to get a lower part count ;o)

Philo
www.philohome.com

Cool! I figured that the stiffness of the wire would help. I guess I'll call
it Shorty ,as it's only a little over an inch tall :). Now I've just got to
get that micro motor ordered so I can try it out myself. I'm wondering if
you could try out a slightly different design for me. It wouldn't use the
block under the motor (because as you said, the wire helps more than it
does) and it would use a 1x7 bent liftarm connected to a 16 long flexible
axle or flex hose of similar length. You could try it without a brick under
the motor or with a 2x2 plate there. If you could let me know how it works
out, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks,

jrl


I was just thinking about the design and that I would really like to have it
lift its foot off the ground, and I think I have something. I think that a
1x7 liftarm with an 18 long flex tube would be a touch smaller and allow the
foot to clear the ground. The diameter of the flex tube is slightly smaller
than the flexible axle and I don't think the motor would bump it. Please let
me know if it works, and I don't mean to bother you.

Thanks,

jrl


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
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Lars Gjerløw Jørgensen wrote:

Trouble is.. the micro motor is equipped with a small
platic ring that only fits the pulley what comes with it.


The micro motor's ring will acutally fit on more than that.

I have sucessfully used it with a "gear 16 tooth with clutch":

http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/6542

as well as directly on to the bottom of a brick, or in one of the holes
of a beam.


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it works well with part x 265

peeron:

http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/x265

-tk


"Lars Gjerløw Jørgensen" <lgjPURGE@jyde.dk> wrote in message
news:Xns935471471AE22lgjatjydedotdk@209.68.63.236...
Øyvind Steinnes's utterance expressed in news:HCtvwx.vt2@lugnet.com:

hi
it's me again :)))
well i need some help with mlcad
as you can see on the ldr file
i didn't bent flex axle
if someone would tell me if there is a primitive part
of the end shape of flexible axle...
i would use it in flexible tubbing plugin in mlcad

but i belive that everyone will imagine
how it should be in model
the free end of flex axle sould be put into the second triangle part
to suround the walker body

so
my baby walker uses... 16 pieces

it has just one leg :)
but works (walks) perfectly ok

Well, I'm sure you can make it smaller :)
I don't have the micromotor myself so I cant try it out.
Can you connect the crankshaft directly too the motor some way?
What is the output from the micromotor? A short cross axel or what?
I've seen somebody used part 2983 (Electric Technic Micromotor Pulley) • on
the micromotor, is there a way to connect a Technic Axel 2 to this • pulley
and then the Chrankshaft to that axel?

Just an idea without having the micromotor myself....
I want one now, after seeing all those microsize robots :)

Trouble is.. the micro motor is equipped with a small
platic ring that only fits the pulley what comes with it.

http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/2986 - motor

http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/2983 - pulley

The pulley can hold an crossaxle or/and a rubber band,
but it does take up 1 stud to the side  :(

Leg godt, sjovt og anderledes!

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Subject: 
Re: baby walker
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Very cool!

Thanks for trying out the design for me, I would have worked on it myself,
but I'm glad you could help me out. I'm wondering, did the design with 7
pieces get its foot totally off the ground?
Actually no, the double bent liftarm has no point where it balances perfectly.

I think lego is actually making
a two-long liftarm now, but I used the closest thing I had.
yes, http://peeron.com/inv/parts/43857 (but I've none yet!)

I'm also
wondering if it would be okay with you if I used some of your pictures for
my gallery at brickshelf, since I can't take any right now.

Sure you can !!!


I was just thinking about the design and that I would really like to have it
lift its foot off the ground, and I think I have something. I think that a
1x7 liftarm with an 18 long flex tube would be a touch smaller and allow the
foot to clear the ground. The diameter of the flex tube is slightly smaller
than the flexible axle and I don't think the motor would bump it. Please let
me know if it works, and I don't mean to bother you.

Yes it works, but to rise the foot completely you have to add the bottom
motor part. I had a completely lifting foot using the 5 pieces design by
replacing the flex axle with a 29L flex tube (thats a bigfoot!!!), the added
weight compensate better 1x7 liftarm weight.

Philo
www.philohome.com


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
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In lugnet.technic, Philippe Hurbain writes:
Very cool!

Thanks for trying out the design for me, I would have worked on it myself,
but I'm glad you could help me out. I'm wondering, did the design with 7
pieces get its foot totally off the ground?
Actually no, the double bent liftarm has no point where it balances perfectly.

I think lego is actually making
a two-long liftarm now, but I used the closest thing I had.
yes, http://peeron.com/inv/parts/43857 (but I've none yet!)

I'm also
wondering if it would be okay with you if I used some of your pictures for
my gallery at brickshelf, since I can't take any right now.

Sure you can !!!


I was just thinking about the design and that I would really like to have it
lift its foot off the ground, and I think I have something. I think that a
1x7 liftarm with an 18 long flex tube would be a touch smaller and allow the
foot to clear the ground. The diameter of the flex tube is slightly smaller
than the flexible axle and I don't think the motor would bump it. Please let
me know if it works, and I don't mean to bother you.

Yes it works, but to rise the foot completely you have to add the bottom
motor part. I had a completely lifting foot using the 5 pieces design by
replacing the flex axle with a 29L flex tube (thats a bigfoot!!!), the added
weight compensate better 1x7 liftarm weight.

Philo
www.philohome.com


Thanks,

I'll be trying it out soon myself. I figured that if it lifted its foot off
the ground, it would more easily be considered a walker. I hope you have fun
watching it stomp around :).

-jrl

P.S. Are you planning on taking any pics?


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
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I'll be trying it out soon myself. I figured that if it lifted its foot off
the ground, it would more easily be considered a walker. I hope you have fun
watching it stomp around :).

-jrl

P.S. Are you planning on taking any pics?

Here they are:

The 5 pieces version looks really disproportionate:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5d.jpg
The 6 pieces is nicer and "walks" well:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod6.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod6.mov (350K)

Philo
www.philohome.com


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Re: baby walker
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In lugnet.technic, Philippe Hurbain writes:

I'll be trying it out soon myself. I figured that if it lifted its foot off
the ground, it would more easily be considered a walker. I hope you have fun
watching it stomp around :).

-jrl

P.S. Are you planning on taking any pics?

Here they are:

The 5 pieces version looks really disproportionate:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5d.jpg
The 6 pieces is nicer and "walks" well:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod6.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod6.mov (350K)

Philo
www.philohome.com


Great!

The six piece design is nicer all around, but I guess if someone wants the
design with one less piece, the fiver is kind of neat in its own way. This
is actually less than an inch tall! I guess that probably classifies it as
the shortest walker (or at least stomper) made from Legos so far, so I think
the name Shorty fits :) Thanks for testing the designs for me, and also the
pictures are very nice :)

-jrl


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
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"Philippe Hurbain" <philohome@free.fr> wrote in message news:HCxAx3.1zrL@lugnet.com...

The 5 pieces version looks really disproportionate:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod5d.jpg
The 6 pieces is nicer and "walks" well:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod6.jpg
http://www.philohome.com/misc/monopod6.mov (350K)

Philo
www.philohome.com

hi
i suspected that you guys can beat me during weekend
it's true

with just one "but"
do we count the electric connector?
i do

see my design (however lately presented)
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini7/mini7_01.jpg

btw: i cannot understand how to use extra created parts in mlcad
:(((

best regards to all competitors

i'm waiting for new competition :)
pixel


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
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Hello !

hi
i suspected that you guys can beat me during weekend
it's true

;o))


with just one "but"
do we count the electric connector?
i do

No, it was not included in count. Actually,
your mini7_01 has the same part count as monopod6.

see my design (however lately presented)
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini7/mini7_01.jpg

What did you use to secure triangle on the crankshaft ?

btw: i cannot understand how to use extra created parts in mlcad
:(((

Actually I didn't create the bent part in
http://www.philohome.com/misc/mini05bent.ldr as an individual part, it is
only a bunch of primitives.
Here is the flex axle as part (symmetrical):
http://www.philohome.com/misc/bentflex16x5.dat
and the modified cad file:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/mini05bent-part.ldr

You can place the part in your parts directory (not very wise as it adds
junk there), leave it in the same folder as the main file or better yet
create a .mpd with both files.

Philo


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
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What did you use to secure triangle on the crankshaft ?
Oh yes, it's a Technic Axle Towball !

Philo


Subject: 
Re: baby walker
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hi philo

sorry i forgot to send PM folder
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39648

as you can see i used axle pin with tow ball
because the krankshaft is "reversed"
it saves one piece :)


Actually I didn't create the bent part in
http://www.philohome.com/misc/mini05bent.ldr as an individual part, it is
only a bunch of primitives.
Here is the flex axle as part (symmetrical):
http://www.philohome.com/misc/bentflex16x5.dat
and the modified cad file:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/mini05bent-part.ldr

You can place the part in your parts directory (not very wise as it adds
junk there), leave it in the same folder as the main file or better yet
create a .mpd with both files.

when i create .mpd file
i cannot use models on one drawing
i mean switching between models gives me nothing
i want to have these modeals and connect them after creating them separately

thanx for advices
best regards
pixel


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Re: baby walker
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sorry i forgot to send PM folder
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=39648

In your "readme" file
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/pixsrv/robots/mini7/info.txt, please give
credit to James Loewen, this is his design MUCH more than mine !!!


when i create .mpd file
i cannot use models on one drawing
i mean switching between models gives me nothing
i want to have these modeals and connect them after creating them separately

From MLcad help file:
"Inserting a sub-model as a part
In the "Available Parts" pane and in the "Part preview" pane there is a
section called document. In this section all sub-models are displayed. Drag
the sub-model from one of this panes into the active model."

Here is the modified .mpd:
http://www.philohome.com/misc/mini7.mpd

Cheers,

Philo


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ok done with info.txt

thanx very much for your help philo

pixel


Subject: 
Re: Son of Walker
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I hate to see a good thread die, so I decided to throw down the gauntlet for
small weight shifting bipeds.  Mine has *huge* feet and looks kind of dufy,
but it does weight shift.  It is the first time I've ever used a micro-motor.

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/kclague/mm-walker/p4280025.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/kclague/mm-walker/p4280026.jpg

Anyone else up for tiny weight shifters?

Kevin

In lugnet.announce.moc, Travis Kunce writes:
This walker is the refined version of the walker I just built on Sunday that
I kept dreaming about while futily trying to render the quicktimes of the
Runner at the setting: limit data rate to 90K.
After two hours of horidly unpublishible 25 minute renders, I gave up, came
home and refined the walker.  Boy was i sleepy today!

THE RESULT

Son of Walker

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=38966

this moc uses 38 pieces including the elastic and the electrode.

can a walker be smaller?

-tk

PS  Video coming tomorrow


Subject: 
Re: Son of Walker
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hmmm...
your walker brings the associacion to diver :)))
cause of feets :)

i've got some kind of draft of the mechanism
which could walk as chicken (with back knees)
but the left-right tilting mechanism isn't done

and the biggest disadvantage is the mechanism is really big
i would say huge
so if the walker-thread will alive
i'll try to make my moc smaller
i don't know it will be the contestor to your walker
but the thread will be (i hope) continued

regards
pixel



"Kevin L. Clague" <kevin_clague@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HE7Gnv.JGK@lugnet.com...
I hate to see a good thread die, so I decided to throw down the gauntlet for
small weight shifting bipeds.  Mine has *huge* feet and looks kind of dufy,
but it does weight shift.  It is the first time I've ever used a micro-motor.

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/kclague/mm-walker/p4280025.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/kclague/mm-walker/p4280026.jpg

Anyone else up for tiny weight shifters?

Kevin

In lugnet.announce.moc, Travis Kunce writes:
This walker is the refined version of the walker I just built on Sunday that
I kept dreaming about while futily trying to render the quicktimes of the
Runner at the setting: limit data rate to 90K.
After two hours of horidly unpublishible 25 minute renders, I gave up, came
home and refined the walker.  Boy was i sleepy today!

THE RESULT

Son of Walker

http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=38966

this moc uses 38 pieces including the elastic and the electrode.

can a walker be smaller?

-tk

PS  Video coming tomorrow


Subject: 
Re: Son of Walker
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In lugnet.technic, Kevin L. Clague writes:
I hate to see a good thread die, so I decided to throw down the gauntlet for
small weight shifting bipeds.  Mine has *huge* feet and looks kind of dufy,
but it does weight shift.  It is the first time I've ever used a micro-motor.

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/kclague/mm-walker/p4280025.jpg

http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/kclague/mm-walker/p4280026.jpg

Anyone else up for tiny weight shifters?

It would appear that I credited the wrong person for the first tiny COG:er...

http://news.lugnet.com/technic/?n=10301

That answers your question.

Huge feet indeed it has, looking forward to next version!

Best regards,
/Tobbe
http://www.lotek.nu
(remove SPAM when e-mailing)


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