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Re: The Chosen one and the balance of the force.
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Thu, 30 May 2002 01:22:53 GMT
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In lugnet.starwars, Aaron West writes:
> In lugnet.starwars, Dave Schuler writes:
> > In lugnet.starwars, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > > Episode 1 evidence:
> > > We learn that Anikin has a higher midichlorian count than yoda. (Which means
> > > that he is more powerful.) It is assumed that he is the "chosen one" who • will
> > > bring balance to the force.
> >
> > I don't think that the film called Anakin "more powerful" than Yoda but
> > simply has a higher midichlorian count. Aside from the fact that the whole
> > midichlorian/pseudo-immaculate-conception foolishness was a terrible plot
> > idea (wisely dropped, I notice, in EPII), we have nothing to indicate that
> > more midichlorians automatically equals more power.
> >
> > > Episode 2 evidence:
> > > We learn that the power of the Jedi is diminishing because the dark side is
> > > clouding the force. (Which means the influence of the dark side exceeds the
> > > influence of the light side even with all of the Jedi) They refer to Anikin • as
> > > the "chosen one" who will bring the force back into balance.
> >
> > The Dark and Light sides might have different spheres of influence, but that
> > doesn't mean that either is objectively more powerful. Further, Yoda
> > himself declares that the Dark Side isn't more powerful but is simply
> > quicker and more seductive. Hardly the same thing...
> >
> > > Original Trilogy evidence:
> > > From episode 1 and 2 we know that Anikin was the most gifted Force user that
> > > the Jedi knew of. In Empire Strikes Back we learn that Darth Vader is • Anikin
> > > Skywalker. We know that Vader (even more powerful than yoda) serves the
> > > Emperor. From this we can assume that the Emperor (who was Darth
> > > Sidious/Palpatine in episode 1 and 2) is more powerful than Vader. This of
> > > course means that Palpatine/Sidious/Emperor is more powerful than all of the
> > > other Jedi.
> >
> > Again, we don't know that Anakin/Vader is "even more powerful than Yoda," so
> > that premise is unsupported. Further, we don't know that the Emperor "is
> > more powerful than Vader," but only that he's more experienced and a
> > skillful manipulator. If it were just a matter of raw power, then the
> > Emperor should have been able to swat Vader over the railing with a thought,
> > regardless of how distracted he was by torturing poor ol' Luke.
> >
> > > Conclusion:
> > > Palpatine is so powerful that his Dark Side influence exceeds that of all • the
> > > Jedi's Light Side influence. Anikin is the Chosen one and fufills the
> > > prophecy of bringing balance back to the force at the end of Return of the
> > > Jedi by killing the Emperor.
> >
> > Or how about this equation: Emperor + Vader = Yoda + Kenobi
> > (I'll get to Luke in a moment)
> >
> > When Kenobi dies, the Force is off-balance toward the Dark. Then Yoda dies
> > and it's even moreso. Then Vader, in his redemption, kills the Emperor,
> > swinging the balance back to the Light. Then Vader dies, settling the
> > entire "Force balance" on poor ol' Luke. I hate to look beyond the canon
> > (ie, the films) but I've heard it put forth that Luke's Jedi methods in some
> > way balance the Light and Dark sides; therefore, in the absence of any other
> > Light or Dark forces, Luke himself represents the balance.
> >
> > > (Am I the only one that remembers this? The Emperor was so powerful that • his
> > > death cause a massive blue explosion of dark side energy.)
> >
> > You're only assuming that that's what it was. I figured it was some kind of
> > energy discharge from whatever power core he fell into. Regardless, so
> > what? You're further assuming that an impressive light show equals huge
> > Dark Side power. For all we know, that could have been the famous
> > midichlorians exploding out of the Emperor's corpse.
> >
> > > Any Questions?
> >
> > Yeah--if you're such a Star Wars zealot, why can't you spell Anakin's name?
> > 8^)
> >
> > Dave!
>
> Dave, I agree with nearly everything you have put forth here in your reply.
> Luke is the balance.
George Lucas himself has refuted this in 3 or 4 differnt interviews. Anakin IS
the chosen one.
> But dang dude!!!
> Did you have to bring on the "flame"??
> WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY out of line on putting the hot red poker in Mike's eye.
> Mindful of your temper must you be, y'all.
> -Aaron-
Odd I did not believe either Dave or I lost our tempers based on what we wrote,
but then maybe I should not speak for dave.
-Mike Petrucelli
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| (...) Heh. I suppose he's referring to my "why can't you spell Anakin" jest. Fortunately, you took it in the lighthearted spirit in which it was intended. Admittedly, it could have seemed like an in-your-face insult if I'd been serious, so that's (...) (22 years ago, 30-May-02, to lugnet.starwars)
| | | Re: The Chosen one and the balance of the force.
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| (...) And a while ago in (URL) Ahui Herrera wrote: (...) Now, I haven't heard any of these interviews, though I've seen at least 6 or so interviews with Lucas... Where are these? When were they filmed? When were they aired? Where were they aired? (...) (22 years ago, 30-May-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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| (...) Dave, I agree with nearly everything you have put forth here in your reply. Luke is the balance. But dang dude!!! Did you have to bring on the "flame"?? WAAA...AAAY out of line on putting the hot red poker in Mike's eye. Mindful of your temper (...) (22 years ago, 30-May-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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