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Re: The Chosen one and the balance of the force.
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Wed, 29 May 2002 18:42:56 GMT
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In lugnet.starwars, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.starwars, Mike Petrucelli writes:
> > Episode 1 evidence:
> > We learn that Anikin has a higher midichlorian count than yoda. (Which means
> > that he is more powerful.) It is assumed that he is the "chosen one" who will
> > bring balance to the force.
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> I don't think that the film called Anakin "more powerful" than Yoda but
> simply has a higher midichlorian count. Aside from the fact that the whole
> midichlorian/pseudo-immaculate-conception foolishness was a terrible plot
> idea (wisely dropped, I notice, in EPII), we have nothing to indicate that
> more midichlorians automatically equals more power.
It was a measure of ability and potential power. (the 'potential' being
realized if trained how to use it)
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> > Episode 2 evidence:
> > We learn that the power of the Jedi is diminishing because the dark side is
> > clouding the force. (Which means the influence of the dark side exceeds the
> > influence of the light side even with all of the Jedi) They refer to Anikin • as
> > the "chosen one" who will bring the force back into balance.
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> The Dark and Light sides might have different spheres of influence, but that
> doesn't mean that either is objectively more powerful. Further, Yoda
> himself declares that the Dark Side isn't more powerful but is simply
> quicker and more seductive. Hardly the same thing...
Whether an individual choose the light or dark side is irrelavent if that
individual is more powerful that their opponent.
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> > Original Trilogy evidence:
> > From episode 1 and 2 we know that Anikin was the most gifted Force user that
> > the Jedi knew of. In Empire Strikes Back we learn that Darth Vader is Anikin
> > Skywalker. We know that Vader (even more powerful than yoda) serves the
> > Emperor. From this we can assume that the Emperor (who was Darth
> > Sidious/Palpatine in episode 1 and 2) is more powerful than Vader. This of
> > course means that Palpatine/Sidious/Emperor is more powerful than all of the
> > other Jedi.
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> Again, we don't know that Anakin/Vader is "even more powerful than Yoda," so
> that premise is unsupported. Further, we don't know that the Emperor "is
> more powerful than Vader," but only that he's more experienced and a
> skillful manipulator. If it were just a matter of raw power, then the
> Emperor should have been able to swat Vader over the railing with a thought,
> regardless of how distracted he was by torturing poor ol' Luke.
The Emperor was zaping Vader when he being thrown over, that is what killed
Vader.
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> > Conclusion:
> > Palpatine is so powerful that his Dark Side influence exceeds that of all the
> > Jedi's Light Side influence. Anikin is the Chosen one and fufills the
> > prophecy of bringing balance back to the force at the end of Return of the
> > Jedi by killing the Emperor.
>
> Or how about this equation: Emperor + Vader = Yoda + Kenobi
> (I'll get to Luke in a moment)
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> When Kenobi dies, the Force is off-balance toward the Dark. Then Yoda dies
> and it's even moreso. Then Vader, in his redemption, kills the Emperor,
> swinging the balance back to the Light. Then Vader dies, settling the
> entire "Force balance" on poor ol' Luke. I hate to look beyond the canon
> (ie, the films) but I've heard it put forth that Luke's Jedi methods in some
> way balance the Light and Dark sides; therefore, in the absence of any other
> Light or Dark forces, Luke himself represents the balance.
This ignores the new information of Episode 2. Even with Yoda, Kenobi, Windu,
and all the rest of the Jedi the force was out of balance. Yoda even states
that the shroud of the Dark Side has fallen.
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> > (Am I the only one that remembers this? The Emperor was so powerful that his
> > death cause a massive blue explosion of dark side energy.)
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> You're only assuming that that's what it was. I figured it was some kind of
> energy discharge from whatever power core he fell into. Regardless, so
> what? You're further assuming that an impressive light show equals huge
> Dark Side power. For all we know, that could have been the famous
> midichlorians exploding out of the Emperor's corpse.
All of the offical sources state that what we see is the Emperor's body being
violently consumed by the force in a dark side explosion.
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> > Any Questions?
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> Yeah--if you're such a Star Wars zealot,
Well I don't really consider myself a zealot. I think people are overthinking
what they see on screen rather than taking at face value.
> why can't you spell Anakin's name?
> 8^) • I guess I was thinking the nick name 'Ani' would affect the spelling. ;^)
>
> Dave!
-Mike Petrucelli
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| (...) Cite, please? I don't recall that being state outright, but my memory of parts of EPI is a little fuzzy. If you're simply inferring it, that's fine, but it can't be taken as verse-and-chapter SW canon. (...) Right, but from the example you (...) (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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| (...) I don't think that the film called Anakin "more powerful" than Yoda but simply has a higher midichlorian count. Aside from the fact that the whole midichlorian/pseudo-...conception foolishness was a terrible plot idea (wisely dropped, I (...) (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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