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Re: The Chosen one and the balance of the force.
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Wed, 29 May 2002 19:45:54 GMT
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In lugnet.starwars, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.starwars, Mike Petrucelli writes:
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> > [Midichlorians were] a measure of ability and potential power.
> > (the 'potential' being realized if trained how to use it)
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> Cite, please? I don't recall that being state outright, but my memory of
> parts of EPI is a little fuzzy. If you're simply inferring it, that's fine,
> but it can't be taken as verse-and-chapter SW canon.
This was fairly clear in the Novelisation of the Movie which is considered
cannon. To be perfectly honest I have never heard anyone suggest that
Midichlorians were not a measure of ability/power.
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> > > The Dark and Light sides might have different spheres of influence, but that
> > > doesn't mean that either is objectively more powerful. Further, Yoda
> > > himself declares that the Dark Side isn't more powerful but is simply
> > > quicker and more seductive. Hardly the same thing...
> >
> > Whether an individual choose the light or dark side is irrelavent if that
> > individual is more powerful that their opponent.
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> Right, but from the example you gave it's impossible to determine which is
> more powerful. It may simply be that the Dark Side is "more powerful" at
> being stealthy, while the Light Side is "more powerful" at being, oh I don't
> know, compassionate or something.
You are missing the point here. The specific 'powers' of the light side and
dark side are equal. The point is that the Dark side is being used more than
the Light side.
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> > > Again, we don't know that Anakin/Vader is "even more powerful than Yoda," so
> > > that premise is unsupported. Further, we don't know that the Emperor "is
> > > more powerful than Vader," but only that he's more experienced and a
> > > skillful manipulator. If it were just a matter of raw power, then the
> > > Emperor should have been able to swat Vader over the railing with a thought,
> > > regardless of how distracted he was by torturing poor ol' Luke.
> >
> > The Emperor was zaping Vader when he being thrown over, that is what killed
> > Vader.
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> In the versions I saw, the Emperor was still zapping, but not at Vader
> specifically.
So the lightning arcs looping back and hitting vader was an accident? Maybe
you are watching the (chopped off the sides of the movie) standard screen
version.
> I grant you, the proximity of such a discharge is what killed
> Vader, but it seems that if Vader could kill Admiral Ozzel (sp?) via
> viewscreen, the Emperor should have been able to dispatch just about anyone
> at least as easily (if the Emperor was indeed "more powerful than Vader").
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> > This ignores the new information of Episode 2. Even with Yoda, Kenobi, • Windu,
> > and all the rest of the Jedi the force was out of balance. Yoda even states
> > that the shroud of the Dark Side has fallen.
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> So? That just means it's out in the open. From the evidence we have so
> far, it seems that the Force is out of balance in favor of the Light Side
> and therefore in need of a heavy infusion of Dark (or a big reduction of
Light).
Episode 2 was quite clear on this. (Or so I assumed) The dark side is being
used more than the light side even with all of the Jedi. The chosen one is
supposed to bring the force back into balance away form the Dark side.
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> > All of the offical sources state that what we see is the Emperor's body being
> > violently consumed by the force in a dark side explosion.
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> When you put it that way I don't doubt you, but I haven't read any of that
> stuff. What's a particular title, for example?
Offhand I do not know a specific source but I have never read anything to the
contrary. Like the Midichlorian thing I have never heard anyone suggest
otherwise.
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> > I think people are overthinking what they see on screen rather than taking at
> > face value.
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> I don't think anyone really believes R2 is the Balancer, but it's a fun
> diversion.
Yes it is very amusing.
>
> > > why can't you spell Anakin's name?
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> > I guess I was thinking the nick name 'Ani' would affect the spelling. ;^)
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> I think the real reason that he turned to the Dark Side is that he was
> resentful of having been called Annie for so long. I know it would put me
> over the edge.
LOL
>
> Dave!
-Mike Petrucelli
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| (...) Maybe what's happening here is that I so violently reject that awful bit of Lucas technobabble that I'm unable to accept it as part of an explanation. Ugh. (...) Bite your tongue, sir! I would never willingly choose pan-and-scan over (...) (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.starwars)
| | | Re: The Chosen one and the balance of the force.
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| (...) That's odd. I remember a scene where someone claimed the shroud of the Dark Side had fallen, and someone else saying that the Dark Side was clouding the Jedi's abilities to see the future, but I didn't hear anyone say anything about which side (...) (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.starwars)
| | | Re: The Chosen one and the balance of the force.
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| Mike and Dave: I hate to disagree (I read your banter with interest), but I don't think Vader/Ani is the chosen one, rather, I think it is Luke. True, Vader did kill the Emperor in the end, but had it not been for his son, he would have never turned (...) (22 years ago, 30-May-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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| | Re: The Chosen one and the balance of the force.
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| (...) Cite, please? I don't recall that being state outright, but my memory of parts of EPI is a little fuzzy. If you're simply inferring it, that's fine, but it can't be taken as verse-and-chapter SW canon. (...) Right, but from the example you (...) (22 years ago, 29-May-02, to lugnet.starwars)
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