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Re: Ewok Holocaust
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lugnet.starwars
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Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:14:23 GMT
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In lugnet.starwars, James Simpson writes:
> In lugnet.starwars, Frank Filz writes:
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> > I'd challenge you to find much SF which you couldn't find gaping holes in. Star
> > Wars is no worse than movies in general, and perhaps better. Note that the
> > referenced article even points out that there is nothing in the Star Wars
> > literature which really conflicts with the analysis, and even material which
> > supports it. Perhaps Lucas is smarter than we think. Perhaps he deliberately
> > created the scenario to challenge us to really think about the story and really
> > question if the heros are really as heroical as first impression would lead one
> > to believe.
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> I disagree with you.
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> Chapter I.
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> ANH was a marvelous epic. Sure, the plot was nothing innovative - basically a
> new version of the classic hero/redemption plot - but it was good nonetheless.
> It was even Art.
>
> II. Empire came along, and it had a dark edge to it. Not many compromises for
> the kiddies. Then...
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> III. The sad fall from grace. ROTJ was, frankly, IMO a sell-out. It was poorly
> scripted with a redundant plot, had no hard edges, no great revelations, and the
> teddy bear core whupped' **s on the Stormtroopers. Heck, even Vader just looked
> like some benign old grandpa. In 1983, Lucas just cashed in on mass-market
> commercialism to the nth degree. Sure, that hype there prior to TESB, but I
> think that Lucas still held his artistic vision through 1980.
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> IV. 1999. Bitter tears. We all know that TPM was all beauty and no brains...eye
> candy, but no substance. Lame and predictable, neither hot nor cold...it was,
> to borrow a phrase from Alvin Plantiga, "a nauseating brew, fit for neither man
> nor beast." IOW, it was all about crass commercialization...something goofy for
> the kids, something for the soccer moms, and plenty of room for Jar Jar pez
> dispensers.
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> In short, I disagree that Lucas is the grand mastermind who is subtely asking us
> to look inward and comtemplate the evil side of heroism, or some such business.
> ROTJ was disneyfied, and TPM was no better! I might buy your argument had this
> event occured in a movie the caliber of TESB, but we had 16 years to contemplate
> the staining of SW, and then were handed a half-done piece of nonsense. No,
> Lucas catered to the least-common-denominator in his last two movies: mass-
> market fluff. Bull in a China Shop, I say.
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> *Please note: I dislike, as you may note, both ROTJ and TPM, but I mean no
> offense to those who may feel otherwise.
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> james
Amen. A Dream to some... A Nightmare to others!
Aaron
:o)
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