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(...) Thanks Steve! I would definitely like to explore this idea if I'm part of the MDP (unless the NXT already has a high-level protocol!). -aps (20 years ago, 24-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) This doesn't sound crazy to me. And, I'd be willing to bet the people at LEGO don't think it's crazy, either. Steve (20 years ago, 24-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) It does. The RIS GUI saves the programs in *.lsc files (in the "Vault"). These programs appear to be a C language variant. The LabView environment does the same thing. TFP (20 years ago, 24-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Well my understaing of JIT compiler is that its a part of the actual runtime so I'm not sure how it would be on the PC?! Though you got me thinking (dangerous), perhaps the best way to program the NXT is not to run a binary but instead use an (...) (20 years ago, 24-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I don't think you're asking too much. Just be warned that self aware robots tend to be depressed. Just look at Marvin from Hitchhiker's. Oh, and C3PO seems to be bipolar. :-P - Alex (20 years ago, 24-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Mammals don't even come like that. LOL! (...) Kev (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I'd like my NXT to be self aware, straight out of the box. Am I asking too much? :-) Steve (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I don't know the format of the output of the graphical programming environment. The concept of a JIT compiler seems good to me. Dunno where it should exist. on the NXT or on the PC? (...) Could be. (...) I sure hope so. (...) Kev (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Because different people want mutually contradictory things. For my own usage, there are times when I want a very procedural language where I can easily specify the precise sequence that things happen in at incredibly fine level of detail (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) What is the output of the NXT graphical programming environment? I mean the NXT could already have a JIT type execution environment already whereby the graphical IDE generates pseudo-code ("bytecode") and the firmware on the NXT does the (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) I agree. I think the barriers are artificial, and really only benefit those who might prefer their alchemy to be abstruse and difficult to master. It allows them to be high priests of the inpenetrable incantation. Mathematics didn't flourish (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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The Minnesota state FLL tournament is at Benilde St. Margaret (a school in Hopkins) on January 28 from 8 am to 5 pm. For details and directions go to www.hightechkids.org. I'll be a design judge. Visitors are welcome, so stop by the technical (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.loc.us.mn, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.technic)
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I was thinking maybe just a new board that fits in the original brick. Another processor, more memory, a complex connector out the end to connect up non-lego sensors, cameras and other devices needing digital communications interfaces. C. Fred (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) One possibility would be to have a compiler that compiles NXT graphical code into ARM code, or NXT executable into ARM code (kind of like a Java just in time compiler). This would bypass the interpreter of the firmware and potentially give you (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Text vs. graphical is one aspect of a language being all things to all people. Another is interpreted vs. compiled code. Steve's Hassenplug required compiled code to get the speed required for balance. Nothing stops there from being both. (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) TLG must provide software (firmware) that's "Bullet-Proof" for kids. (most of their users) I prefer a faster version of the firmware, which is why I use BrickOS. These appear mutually exclusive. Is that different from what you're talking (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Man you've got a long memory! I think it's been a long time since I've mentioned where I am, and I haven't been too active lately. Getting more active though, even the thought of a new Mindstorms is inspiring me to pull the old one out. So (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.loc.us.mn, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.technic)
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Kev (...) everything (...) Why not? Why couldn't the original RIS language interface have had a button to press which converted your program to a textual form like a conventional language? And this textual language had all the extra goodies that (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.robotics)
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(...) Will you be able to show off your NXT? JOHN (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.loc.us.mn, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.technic, FTX)
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Kevin, Oooh, bad timing. That's the same day as the Minnesota State FLL tournament. You should come next year and display you MOC's at the tourney. We could have you, me, Doug Carlson and Benton Jackson. I wonder what other AFOL's we have in the (...) (20 years ago, 23-Jan-06, to lugnet.loc.us.mn, lugnet.robotics, lugnet.technic)
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