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| | | I've read that VW/Audi had both a dual VR6 configuration used in some sort of prototype sports car as well as a true 12 cylinder where sets of three cylinders pushed a driveshaft. I think the Phaeton W12 is the former, but how do you sync and drive (...) (21 years ago, 2-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Rob Stehlik
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| | | | | (...) This is definitely Johns domain, but as far as I know, the W12 is just two VR6's stuck together like siamese twins. Its still a single crankshaft. I don't see why the 'W' thing is such a big deal. The cylinders are offset (ie not in a straight (...) (21 years ago, 2-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Chris Magno
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| | | | | Calum Tsang wrote: snip (...) Magic. Chris (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Derek Raycraft
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| | | | | | (...) Come on Chris, no need to get silly. Calum, they use Flubber. Derek (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | (...) Derek, your such a DINK. do you remember that "little talk" we had??? We said we would NEVER ever mention the F word in public. what Derek MEANT to say was that a VW runs on a special type of magic that as yet can not be discussed. do NOT (...) (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Kevin L. Clague
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| | | | (...) Obviously they don't, but they could use a differential to "add" the power together, but then you'd need two tachometers. (...) Kevin (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Iain Hendry
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| | | | (...) Well. That comes back to the question of "needing" a tachometer. I've noticed that like almost automatics have tachometers. Neither of the cars I've owned had/have a tach, and both had/do have a manually actuated gearbox. I think that's funny. (...) (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | (...) (URL) friend Maria took me for a drive in her Toyota ECHO this weekend. I like Maria a lot. In our talking it came out that she bought her ECHO at the same dealership I did, from the same sales guy! Alan Pfaff. (URL) was really good to both of (...) (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Derek Raycraft
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| | | | | | Iain Hendry wrote: > There's something just so (...) I'll take the passenger seat any day for this. (...) Ya, I know the feeling. I almost had an Accord in my backseat a couple of weeks ago. Fortunately the lady in the Accord had the were with all (...) (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Derek Raycraft wrote: <snip> (...) Love my Dodge '88 rusty ol' pickup... Dave K -who used to love Hondas, especially one 1986 Honda Prelude :) (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | (...) Frigin' Accord drivers, eh? Iain (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Calum Tsang
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| | | | (...) What if, on something like the Phaeton, which, in the words of the reviewer, has "vault like silence", you don't get that vibration or noise cues? Hence, you might need to use the tach. Calum (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Derek Raycraft
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| | | | | (...) You can still use the speedometer. Unless you got lots of wheel spin there is a direct relationship between the tack and the speedometer. In fact the speedometer is often attached to the drive shaft so even wheel spin is removed. Derek (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | (...) I made a little label on my computer for my old car when I was learning how to drive. I calculated out the r/min based on the gear ratios for my car's transmission as to when would be the best speed to shift into what gear at. Iain (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —John Guerquin
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| | | | | | (...) That's a good idea... but you can also shift by noise :) My friend's first car was an older Ford Ranger pickup, with a manual, and no tach. When I first rode in it, I was wondering how he knew when to shift - I think his response was something (...) (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | (...) Of course! But the idea of the label was so I'd know I was driving most efficiently in each gear when I was driving at speed X. Or something. IT WAS LIKE 4 YEARS AGO AND I WAS TRYING TO BE COOL. Now I just put pseudo-hybrid stickers on my fuel (...) (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Calum Tsang
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| | | | | | (...) Doesn't that require constant road conditions, traction, incline etc? (...) I got to play the receptionist during Pina Colada day at Vivid Group* when I used to work there. Calum * - Toronto multimedia company I worked for when I was in high (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | (...) IT (...) Sure... but like, if you start going up a steep hill, you downshift to a lower gear. It becomes intuative, like riding a bike. If you're accelerating up a hill from a standstill you leave it in each gear longer. Sometimes I skip gears (...) (21 years ago, 4-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —John Guerquin
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| | | | | (...) Actually, that's a good point. A lot of cars nowadays are so quiet at idle, that you really need to check the tach to make sure that the engine IS running. And not accidentally try to start a running engine - the sound of grinding gears is (...) (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Derek Raycraft
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| | | | | | | (...) Wow, they really do use Flubber. So did they do this for a functional reason or just to make an engine that looks like their Logo? I want to work at a company that has the money to throw at screwy things like this. But John, I'll give you (...) (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | | | it could be me, but I find this image bordering on the risqué. (URL) children should NOT click this link - 1) Chris 1 - unless your parents are not in the room, then go right ahead.... click away Trevyn, and Calum. (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Iain Hendry
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| | | | | | (...) Amen. It took me a week to get used to how quiet the engine is in my car! One of my friends comented on that this weekend at a gas station. (...) Cocky. :) Iain (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Iain Hendry
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| | | | (...) The review I saw said that the W12 would only be available as an automatic. Iain (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Calum Tsang
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| | | | (...) IIRC the 2004 Phaeton will ship with a 6 speed manual in some markets. The W8 Passat, which uses a derivative of the W12 (two less cylinders per side, or a dual VR4) already ships in a 6 speed manual. Both are very quiet cars. I asked someone (...) (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: OT: Anyone know how the Phaeton W12 engine works? —Chris Magno
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| | | | (...) gee, I'm sorry, I thought this was rtl ~L E G O~ looks like I stumbled into off.topic.foo.CALUM....asian.cars silly me :) Chris (21 years ago, 3-Nov-03, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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