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Steve Hassenplug wrote:
> Chris and Calum,
>
> You guys have done a fine job of creating and running events for your group, but
> you've both made it clear that rtl is not interested in contributing or
> participating with the Mindstorms community outside your little group. And
> that's fine. Obviously, you can't be required to be more involved than you
> want.
>
> You've had great competitions with great robots. As you've pointed out
> elsewhere, all four of the original members of the Mindstorms User Panel (along
> with many other great builders) have participated in rtl events.
>
> However, I think it's a shame when the "outside" community comes to you, and
> you're still not willing to consider doing anything that could be good for the
> whole LEGO Mindstorms community, even if it takes little or no extra effort from
> you.
>
> I like the tug-of-war rules Dave outlined, and will suggest something similar to
> the BrickFest committee, because it's very much in line with what has been
> discussed.
>
> It would have been nice to make a challenge that's bigger than one club, group
> or event, because I know how popular things like the GBC have become all over
> the world. But it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Oh, well.
>
> On Tue, March 21, 2006 7:59 pm, Chris Magno wrote:
>
> > keep us posted as to what you guy decide.
>
>
> I don't think so.
>
> Thanks
> Steve
Steve,
I read this, and I'm sad to say it really rubbed me the wrong way.
Steve, you and I go way back, heck YOU took the time to teach me bit
masking; and for that I thank you.
But the over all tone of your public text makes me feel like a shit for
not being able to attend other world events. I am very sorry that my
personal and financial situation forces me to have to choose between
keeping my family clothed and fed, vs. attending events all over. I
personally would have loved to go to Denmark and participate in that
lego contest, I would like to be able to take time off and have the
funds to allow me to go to brickfest; or even be able to pack up the
kids and go to Indiana and play tic tac toe for a weekend. But,
surprisingly I am a proud man; I politely say "no thanks" not this year,
when I really feel crushed and envious of you and all the other people
who can find the means to make it. I just can’t. Happy now? I am NOT
looking for a hand out, and I will politely say no thank you to anyone
who wants to put me and my family up for the weekend, but if I cant do
it on my own, then I won’t do it.
Calum said it best. Mindstorms games are best played face to face. So
given the above paragraph, I don’t understand where you feel I was being
negative to you and your idea.
-----snip my original text dated march 21-----------
Steve,
rtl will be doing this style of tug of war. we probably will not place
a "weight limit" with the understanding that weight is not always
better. besides we have the all encompassing "spirit of the game" rule.
The current draft rule set allows for a bot to race to the edge and
place a hook. OR, be sneaky and offer some resistance, then "let go" of
the rope, in the hope of having the other bot "fall"
As to a brickfest meet up. I just don’t know. I’m sure people could
enter robots by proxy, and or, modify robots to meet whatever rule set
you and Indy come up with.
While RTL was liking the idea of R21 and some kind of blackjack game, we
all agreed that it might be too much of a challenge, and the current
pattern seems to be easy, then hard games. r21 falls in the cycle of
"easy"
keep us posted as to what you guy decide.
Chris
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So when you say this:
>but
> you've both made it clear that rtl is not interested in contributing >or
> participating with the Mindstorms community outside your little group.
Tell me Steve, do you speak for Brian, or John, or ??? NO you don’t.
Just like I don’t speak for Iain, Rob A, Rob S, or John or..... All
Calum and I do is organize LOCAL events. If people want to attend other
events GREAT!!! I am not stopping them, JUST like I can’t force others
from rtlToronto to GO to other events.
I even said in my message that maybe people could enter a robot by
proxy. the ONLY negative thing I said in my message is that I don’t
think we would impose a weight limit. THEN I also followed up with
"...modify robots to meet whatever rule set you and Indy come up with."
Where is that negative?
One last point:
you said:
> However, I think it's a shame when the "outside" community comes to
you, and
> you're still not willing to consider doing anything that could be
good for the
> whole LEGO Mindstorms community, even if it takes little or no extra
effort from
> you.
OK, fine. watch this:
ATTENTION WORLD, rtl will be doing a RCX TUG OF WAR game. The rules are
yet to be finalized but more or less outlines in an earlier thread. I’m
not sure how people around the world will be able to play head to head
on this, but I’m sure we will find a way.
Steve, obviously this is sarcasm, but I don’t understand why you think I
was being overly anti-community because I didn't want a weight limit.
This game NEEDS robot to go head to head. otherwise, it’s a virtual game
where people will pit the robot against a fish scale and report there
findings in Newton/Meters.
That was not sarcasm.
So, tell me what I’m supposed to do.
Chris
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