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		Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
(...) I'd sure say so. One root problem being (I think) that science has an awful definition of what it means to be alive. Evolution wants to separate itself from cosmology because it doesn't really have anything to say about the Big Bang or the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Little judgmental this morning, are we? To follow something blindly -- uneducated and (...) What's ignorant here is your elitism and your hatred. I thought lefties were supposed to be the tolerant ones... -- is really to favor a kind of (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) But then you are simply restricting freedoms. Pretty soon we'd end up like the UK>;-) (...) That you mentioned race-- what would that necessarily have to do with anything? (...) Damn right. People need to start really being colorblind, and (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
<snip> (...) If you mean rich guys don't have the "freedom" (aka power) to buy a seat in power - I agree. Protecting democracy is far more important. (...) lol. Was Thatcher a liberal? <snip> (...) have (...) billions (...) Think bigger John. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Yes, you are correct. I think we are victims of our own success-- freedom has a price which one must be willing to pay; freedom without responsibility is anarchy and not freedom at all. (...) Can you say "pledge ruling"? I'm not sure that (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Then let's restate it this way: Of the explanations currently on the table for how we arrived where we are today, evolution provides more complete, explanatory answers and makes more accurate, testable predictions than Creationism, and (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) We have the law of gravity, which has yet to be disproven--when I let go of a hammer it will fall. We see that today. We can test that today. How do we prove 'evolution', which happened millions and/or billions of yeara ago? There have been (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) It may not be freedom in your mind, John, but it is in mine. Freedom to run for office whether you have friends with millions in the bank or not. (...) Explain to me how no new people would run for office if the most they'd spend would be (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Yes. (...) But actually, I was trying to indicate a specific thing when I wrote "strict creationism." I meant the belief that you describe above as dumb. The notion that God set up a bunch of physical laws several billion years ago, knowing (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Evolution vs Scientific Creationism
(...) Please don't misunderstand me--I reject "Scientific Creationism" as a term because there is nothing at all scientific about it. It makes no claims that can be tested, it calls for no experiments that can be repeated, it uses no evidence that (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) I would (regrettably...) dispute that these traits are confined to (modern) liberals. In my own county you need look no further than the local GOP machine to find them, although the loyal Democratic opposition has them as well. Perhaps not as (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) in (...) No, I don't. What is it? And what counts as a crime when compiling those numbers? And why is it that you think crimes that take place in prison are less important? I think the overall effect on the economy of fixing those who can be (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) This claim got me interested. I decided that a thorough analysis of the past fifty years of US politics was beyond my level of interest. So I narrowed my exploration to the current US Senate. I sifted and sorted some stats and came up with: 50 (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip> (...) Oh I'm so glad that I'm Canadian with our health care system. Yes there are those union bosses who say otherwise, and people can line up a whole bunch of people whining about the woes of (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) I thought it was somewhere in the UK. (...) Our wisdom teeth are primarily for mashing grains and tough fiberous roots. (...) Chaos accounts for the existence of cells of spontaneous order in a chaotic system. If you add heat to a pan of water (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Congratulations, John. In your responses below you have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you cannot read anything over 1-2 sentences long and comprehend it. That, or that you simply refuse to comprehend it (which you proved with your last (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) You paint with too broad a brush, my good man. This atheist believes that school vouchers are the best thing since sliced bread. Seriously, I don't see vouchers as a religious issue at all. It's an educational freedom issue. And I want more! (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Here in the US, we limit your hunting quota, your speed of travel, you ability to shout "fire," the percentage of your income that you get to keep, your ability to discriminate based on skin tone, and a million other things. So I guess we (...) (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: [snip] (...) Wow! Do you really think this?: (...) What is the value of just getting together and patting one another on the back for being American? Chris (22 years ago, 5-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Many were upset that those vouchers were used to attend religious schools, allegedly at the state's expense. -John (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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