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		Re: For Those That Don't Get the 2nd Amendement (was Re: Those stupid liberal)
(...) Scott, that would be truly insane... ...trust the people that put Bush in the White House and have supported him through all the other BS?! Would you trust Blair to rework how your civil liberties work? Not on your life, man. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 24-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) As you know, I only ask the same question more than once when someone is avoiding answering it. After all, if the question has been answered, what is the point in asking it again? Scott A (22 years ago, 24-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) Who can say? These guys are all ultimately poll-driven centrists -- it's just that the Bushes are also pointedly oil-obsessed, war-gods. (...) Hmmm, this is all very debatable. The lynching isn't widespread or performed without fear of (...) (22 years ago, 20-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Freedom in America (The Chicago 8)
A funny thing happened to some folks on their way to making public their disenfranchisement from the then current political establishment in the year 1968. The police infiltrated their groups (thereby abridging the free exercise of the right to (...) (22 years ago, 25-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Those stupid conservative (was liberal) judges are at it again!
(...) Me either. Duty needs to be taken on voluntarily. It may get you extra privs, but it shouldn't be forced. (...) (reins... a reign is just exactly what we want to prevent! :-) all hail Emperor George II and his visier, Dick ) (...) Snipped the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) No - it would seem close and I understand you thinking that, but not really. I merely wish to establish one thing before moving on to the next. If Joe Blow walking down the street suddenly spotted the 2nd Amendment, what would be his (...) (22 years ago, 24-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Why start with Iraq? - (Re: Iraq, Dictators, and Peace)
(...) Inasmuch as your pro-justice axe only seems to be aimed at the U.S., I beg to differ. (...) How's this for a fact: you haven't addressed "They present only so much of the story as is convenient for their cause." Claiming that you stick to (...) (22 years ago, 24-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: For Those That Don't Get the 2nd Amendement (was Re: Those stupid liberal)
(...) The point I just made to Bruce stands here too. You don't get to use "common, everyday english". The phrase "well regulated militia" does not mean what you think it does. It means what it meant then, with the meanings of the words as they were (...) (22 years ago, 24-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword (was Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it aga
(...) the evidence has been weighed. Snopes.com and wikipedia.com have both surveyed their experts and as snopes says "come up empty." In the first place, it smelled funny. The quote itself is so narrow-minded and subsitutes emotions for (...) (22 years ago, 24-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) Would guns truly have made a beneficial difference? Or would it have made the students seem like armed combatants who deserved whatever they got? I expect that it would depend on how the press chose to spin it, but at the very least it would (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) Didn't we dispose of this red herring already? Really, it's rather tiresome going round and round and round with you, you're displaying the Scott Arthur nature here a bit... and it doesn't score you any points with the regulars, you may want (...) (22 years ago, 24-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) see also: (URL) article is about forking and revolutionary change within the open source context, but it applies to all systems... high barriers to entry imply more likeliehood of revolution rather than gradual change... and the duopoly of (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Why start with Iraq? - (Re: Iraq, Dictators, and Peace)
(...) I can take that any number of ways. (...) The USA actively supports Israel, yes. So do others. You seem to be grinding an anti-US axe. Axe-grinders opinions are generally speaking, not to be trusted. They present only so much of the story as (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: red light cameras CAUSE accidents
(...) See? I've always told you that you can't trust private corporations to run things! Seriously though, I'd be interested to hear more about the truncated yellows. If the cameras are "causing" accidents because people are pushing the existing (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: red light cameras CAUSE accidents
Hm, interesting. I have seen reports of fewer accidents, but I wonder how well you can trust them. The incentives sure are wrong, and certainly present a true risk of incorrect reaction (cutting short the yellow light time). Another interesting (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
(...) Right. But even to Mr. Weaver, the situation might be preferable to spending 15 years in a federal prison with no one knowing about it. I don't know him. (...) In response to the cop and gun thing or long term? He ran away once he defused the (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: red light cameras CAUSE accidents
(...) Google it. You'll be inundated with a full range from "well-reasoned and documented" to "wacky paranoid government-out-to-get-us". But it's fairly obviously an issue, and there's good information out there on it. If the cameras are "causing" (...) (22 years ago, 23-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Those stupid liberal judges are at it again!
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) <snip> Gerrymandering? Brought up in this thread? Like h-e-double hockey sticks they have, Larry... Do a search in this entire thread and show me, up until this post of yours, when (...) (22 years ago, 20-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Ashcroft named as top defendant in civil suit
I found this interesting: (URL) see how far it gets. I expect he'll be removed from the suit, after all, can't have our government officials held personally liable for what they do, now can we? (22 years ago, 22-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Iraq, Dictators, and Peace
Lets see the fastest way to achieve World Peace would be to nuke the entire planet. The world would be a peace. The best way to acheive World Peace would be for the United Nations to systematiclly eliminate any and all non-democratic governments and (...) (22 years ago, 21-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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