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		Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
(...) Quality of life that they delliver to their citizens, and, more importantly, that they're likely to deliver to their citizens in future. It's not about size, it's not about population, it's not about military might, it's not about resources, (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
(...) Absolute Wow! for the article, Richard. Just to start a different debate, one of a more political nature, and one where I don't have an opinion (yet ;) )... Will, or could, the "American Empire" fall, much akin to the former Soviet Union? (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
(...) I have to say, I could not agree more with this point. Searching for legal loopholes to justify highly questionable in/actions is a major annoyance to me. The UK's use of cluster bombs in Iraq [anti-personnel bombs in all but name] is an (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
(...) Sure it does. You can't argue that we have the right of choice if there's no free market (of ideas, or of systems) to choose from, except unless you argue that we have to lump the choices, constrained as they are by the International (...) (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
(...) lol so now we are demonized because we don't stick our collective nose in everywhere?! (...) YET! That's the WHOLE point. (...) And why does NK have nukes? The UN forbade it. What exactly can we do at this point? One doesn't just go in (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: !
(...) More important that 'freedom toast'-- "Two U.S. officials also said Iraqi dissidents slated to take prominent roles in any postwar administration have voiced concerns about the U.N.'s role. "The U.N. has a history of slow, bloated bureaucracy (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
(...) You may call it "ploughed ground" but what you say here is contradictory to whay you said earlier-- (...) "The self preservation of our way of life", or as Dubya says in every single speech, "Protecting Americans". And everyone else in the (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
(...) True, and I apologize. The America-centric vibe I get from John's posts slanted my readings. I would have said something like, "There are many countries that have contributed 'blessings' to the world, and America has had it's fair share." But (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Outrageous Iraqi Geneva Convention Violation
(...) Sooo, damning us if we do, and damning us if we don't. Sounds about right. BTW, what's all of this "we" language? JOHN (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: What happened?
(...) Healthcare is a good/service. As such, it costs money. There is no entitlement to goods or services. Rights speak to behaviours, not to free goods. So, yes, if you happen to have planned things poorly enough that you show up on the hospital's (...) (25 years ago, 28-Jun-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Geneva Convention on POW treatment is just another inconvenience to the Iraqi Regime?
(...) Chris, you're wasting your breath with Scott. Many (but unfortunately not all) of us now ignore Scott... you might consider it too. But to answer your question, yes, Scott does think that way about the US, by and large. (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Outrageous Iraqi Geneva Convention Violation
(...) Okay, I'll work with that. You say that pointing out our flaws is part of being a good American. I think we can agree here; I would say that being a good American in part means being vigilant about protecting the ideals of our Constitution. My (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: If I were a conspiracy nut...
(...) Please be reasonable and THINK just for one moment. What are your standards for proof? In a court of law we would look at the accused and wonder if he had means, motive, and opportunity based upon evidence. We look at a cocaine dealer and (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Geneva Convention on POW treatment is just another inconvenience to the Iraqi Regime?
(...) 1. It was a mob. 2. They were not shooting at anyone in the water; they feared someone was in the rushes. [We all fear the unknown to some extent.] 3. Look at how some of your countrymen treated American Muslims in the aftermath of 911. Those (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
(...) And most if not all of the Palestinian aggression is in retaliation for Israeli terrorism. I'm not even saying that you're wrong. I think you're right. But that doesn't change the rightness of what I said. They are in a cycle of violence (...) (22 years ago, 22-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Arab states line up behind Iraq [Duplicity?]
Arab states line up behind Iraq (URL) summit of Arab foreign ministers has demanded the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of US and British forces from Iraq ==+== All but Q8 condemn the invasion as a "violation of the United Nations Charter" (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
(...) fire? (...) is not grounds for shooting them. (How did that happen?) (...) a (...) there (...) You misunderstand due to me not being more clear in that post. She was attacked by 7 different people. After the first 4 she bought a gun which was (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
(...) Bingo. That is exactly what I meant. I believe that the US is unique and special; a shining example of Freedom to the world. I am proud to be an American, and I believe all Americans should be proud of their country and grateful for living in (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Outrageous Iraqi Geneva Convention Violation
(...) By "same thing", do you mean that we are waving white flags at the Iraqi army and then ambushing them, or do you mean that we are displaying closeup images of dead Iraqis shot execution style through their forehead?" (...) Please cite (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Outrageous Iraqi Geneva Convention Violation
(...) You just aren't listening, or being deliberately obtuse. You started this thread with: (URL) which you expressed outrage because Iraqis violated Geneva Conventions I, as well as others went on to point out to you, John, that the US, as well (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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