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		Re: THIS is why this whole war is a waste of time. - NO ITS NOT - GO BUILD SOME LEGO!!
(...) We are perfectly free to kill each other, government took away that right (okay, hoarded it for itself, if you wanna be picky). We are perfectly free to take that other person's stuff, and government took away that right (same caveat). In a (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: THIS is why this whole war is a waste of time. - NO ITS NOT - GO BUILD SOME LEGO!!
(...) Great job Bruce, you were able to nail down two of my biggest problems with the Republican party, the reason I am an independant instead. You also summed them up very nicely. I agree the government should not reserve the right to kill it's (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Hotel Palestine
(...) But why does some "commander" have to make a decision? The tank commander is a "commander". If a tank commander can't make immediate decisions, then how can you argue that anyone short of the chief can make decisions? Does a private have to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
(...) Let me forestall a pounce, this is a typo. The second "me" should say "my family after I am gone" (25 years ago, 3-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
(...) I'm glad John's here but I do want to point out that I was perfectly fine with this particular one... I riffed on it quite happily. In general I tend to pounce on ad hominems but this wasn't one. (25 years ago, 3-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Hotel Palestine
(...) No. (...) It's not just "wait for orders"; is "wait for superior assessment of the altered situation". The hotel, which would in abstract be a non-target, might become one AFTER command's assessment of the situation. They receive info from the (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Hotel Palestine
(...) Then you've probably seen it. I'm still looking for the video, though. (...) I still maintain the crewmen could have chosen to look more carefully. The hotel has enough side clearance to stand isolated, so there are no distractions to it. e (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: THIS is why this whole war is a waste of time. - NO ITS NOT - GO BUILD SOME LEGO!!
(...) Frank, do you really think the people who are expressing stupid opinions such as : "USA is supported by God" or "SH is the Devil and we HAD to get rid of him, there was NO other solution!!!" will listen to any good argument? They are blind to (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Iran: For peace in the region? No! For a piece of the region...
(...) Er, whoops. I'm an Economist subscriber (print edition) so it's no cost to me. But the point of the article, and the diagram in particular, is that Iran is more of a theocracy that has some elected (but basically powerless) appendages, than a (...) (22 years ago, 7-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Hotel Palestine
(...) Do they have to wait for orders from above for ANY threat? How far up do they have to go to wait for orders? Does each soldier have to call Bush (commander in chief) on the phone before shooting someone who might be a non-combatant? Soldiers (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Hotel Palestine
(...) Please elaborate. Personally, I think a (known to be occupied) hotel is a "don't shoot" place, much like a hospital. If the troops see anything that disproves that, then they should report to the hierarchy and ask for orders. It was a very (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: THIS is why this whole war is a waste of time.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello writes: (snip) (...) What's wrong with that (11mln counted overnight)? half that number is counted in my country by hand on election night, and we have half the population (and presumably, half the number (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:18:59 GMT, Larry Pieniazek uttered the following profundities... (...) But your own Declaration of Independance states that everyone is entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of hapiness. Health is necessary to life, yet (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Hotel Palestine
(...) I'll agree they probably didn't give an order that the building should never be shot at. I think that order would be just as idiotic. I don't think they shot at it just to shoot at reporters though either. Which some news reports have (...) (22 years ago, 8-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Hotel Palestine
(...) Post it here, but I believe that I have seen the video on CNN - they were showing it, but running on about something else. Tank shoots building. Pretty straightforward and undeniable. (...) (strategic snipping of my own comments to string this (...) (22 years ago, 10-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
(...) I haven't been convinced that more money will always create better education. Public education, like everything else run by the government, is almost by definition inefficient and wasteful. Still, as bad as it may be, I received my entire (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
(...) This is something I'm curious about. In these European countries that have this utopia of "free" healthcare I would assume it is paid for with taxes, right? I've also heard that in such places those who have the means most definitely do choose (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
(...) I agree. I'd also point out that the person who was most adamant about thinking it is "human nature" to be selfish and not give, no matter how much you do or do not have taken from you by the government was the person who somewhat proudly (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: THIS is why this whole war is a waste of time.
(...) Perhaps I am a bit gullible but I tend to believe that our leaders are not lying. I even believed Clinton, who I felt was a pathological liar, when he said that bombing Iraq was in the interest of national security. I have always believed the (...) (22 years ago, 9-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Rights to free goods? (was Re: What happened?
John DiRienzo wrote in message ... (...) Are you commenting on my words or Ed's here? (...) My "yes and no" was that in one sense, charity is the giving of goods without expecting something in return (shorthand "free goods"), but it is also a "no" (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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