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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
(...) 'Twas ever thus... We are all of us prostitutes and it's always about price. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) So I expect to never, ever hear the phrase "liberal media" out of you, right, since it sided with Bush? :-) "We all know that election laws don't matter when Democrats are on the losing side..." Okay, back that up. Give some examples. As to (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
(...) The solar panels I am referring to are BASED on technology NASA created for solar panel use and construction. A typical home shingled in solar panels would generate enough power to operate lights and small appliances in overcast and light (...) (21 years ago, 16-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) Just showing some skeletons on the other side. McAuliffe was first to jump down Bush's throat for his "involvement" with Enron, but never mind his own $18 million profit off Global Crossing that looked as specious as anything Bush might have (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
(...) Which are conveniently located outside the Earth's atmosphere, and therefore not subject to weather. Besides, they are designed for many charge/discharge cycles a day, since most satelites orbit the Earth more than once daily - the "night" (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
(...) Satelite solar panels also don't have to deal with atmosphere... I'm sure it's changed now, but some 15 years ago, I hear solar panels were actually an energy loser, that their expected energy production for their lifetime was less than the (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
(...) Of course, if that is true, we're also all clients. Do we gain both ways? ;-) Pedro (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) As is any elected governor or president, which proves nothing. I, as a male, am directly positioned to commit rape. That doesn't mean that I do it. (...) For this charge to stick it must be demonstrated that Lay's advisory position was solely (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall
(...) The sold portion is small when compared to the conquered portion, as you know. In any case, the main cities are not called St Francis, The Angels, or Sacrament: so you can't deny that Mexico has shaped what you know as California now. If (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) I think you misunderstand me: the term "liberal media" is used to try and claim a bias in news reporting against conservatives. That's it - it's not a term dependent on there being a specific organized conspiracy. You are effectively using the (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) Don't take my word for it--try reading Bernard Goldberg's book Bias. I don't think anyone can make any persuasive argument for Goldberg being conservative. He details from personal experience what happens when one questions the way that news (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) You may be correct about the no-fly zones being established by coalition forces, but they were a condition of the cease-fire, and violation of a cease-fire is more than sufficient reason to resume hostilities. The UN wouldn't enforce anything (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) No matter how hard I try, I can't swallow conspiracy theories--including "liberal media." It's too ingrained in human nature to blab for any conspiracy to long endure! I believe that the media is largely composed of liberals (just check (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
Clinton? Bush? Who cares? In my opinion they are figureheads only. The democrat v republican game is also a mere sideshow. Real power is media-hidden in enterprises like Enron and the IMF: 1. You go on in. 2. Your paid for politicians hand you the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) Judicial fiat is how we have Bush as president if that's the way you want to look at it, so I'm not sure what you point is when you try to use an example of a proposition that was doomed legally from the word go. What, the judiciary should (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Carl Nelson wrote: <snip> (...) I don't believe in the Beatles, I just believe in me. After all, he was the walrus.... I could be the walrus... still wouldn't change the fact that I don't own a car... "...I recall Central (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Altruism is a bad idea? (was Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!)
(...) Allow me a maudlin, over-wrought digression: We're all street people. It's just that some of us have had the good luck to be related to wealthy people, and others have had the good luck to achieve a personal wealth by what they perceive as (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Unexplained power outages in New York, Toronto, and other cities
(...) Whoa. I don't have a problem with the powergrid I have a problem with the centralized generation. The solar panels that are illegal for me to use on my house, if used by everyone, would produce enough excess energy to power the cites. However (...) (21 years ago, 15-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
(...) Strongly disagree -- as you knew I would. Your statement ignores the social contract that corporations have with the societies that provide them with the fiction that makes any of their business possible in the first place. It is not for (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) I concur--I just wanted the clarity. (...) The idea of 'pay what you owe' is ingrained into my nature by my parents. Those folks who 'take the system for granted' without putting into the (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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