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		The Torturers Among Us
Count on a professional newspaper columnist to articulate so clearly what I have been saying for the past three years. The Bush Administration has abused the 9/11 tragedy as an excuse to engage in a deplorable deterioration of human rights. The (...) (20 years ago, 9-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

all, rights
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		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
(...) A number? No. An example of their cruel, savage barbarism? Yes. War is different. Basically in war, you are saying to your enemy, "Surrender to us, or we probably will kill you." Even at any time in war, surrender is an option and the killing (...) (20 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
(...) <snip> (...) When? If this is still about Iraq (and I didn't see in the conversation where it strayed from Iraq), when did Iraq act against you? Again I ask, 'how many Iraqi citizens were involved in 9/11? How many Saudis? And yet you use 9/11 (...) (20 years ago, 26-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

all, rights
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		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
(...) I assume that is suppostion. My point is that you appeared to be wrong when you said "The resistance in Iraq is coming primarily from outside Iraq, not in." OK? (...) What does using Nick Berg's "slaughter" to justify the bombing of a wedding (...) (20 years ago, 25-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: The Free Super Chiefs
(...) I think it's still debatable. Of course I mentioned that depending on the circumstances, I would take the effort to help the sender correct their mistake. While I don't call my self a Christian, it is certainly in my values to try and be fair. (...) (23 years ago, 21-Mar-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: I'm Glad Bush is Standing by Rumsfeld
(...) I have seen the writing on the wall for Bush ever since he dragged us into an unjustified war. His administration has repeatedly shown signs that they have completely mis-read the situation in Iraq from the beginning, and it was sadly doomed (...) (20 years ago, 13-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Arrogance floats amongst the stars...
(...) They're out there if you want them. I'm sure they've been discussed to death here before, but I don't have time right now to track that down. So once again it's google to the rescue. Here's a short list from one of the sites. Reasons for going (...) (20 years ago, 12-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: George Bush has legitimised terrorism
(...) Well, I guess I'd say that I believe only in those things for which there is empirical evidence or which can, in principle, be proven. As far as a devout scientist is concerned, I say go right ahead! I would, however, offer that IMO the devout (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Thanks but no thanks
(...) Just nitpicking here, not sure of the overall relevance, but... Bad analogy. (having tried and failed to move cows and having actually fixed fences). It's a LOT easier to fix a fence that doesn't want to be fixed than to move a cow that (...) (24 years ago, 27-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

all, rights, property
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		Re: Nuke Boston (was Re: Resolved: Tall SUVs should not be...)
(...) Nonsense, although that's clearly overstating the point being made by the previous poster. I give you In Congress, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that (...) (24 years ago, 24-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)

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		Re: Sheikh Yassin
(...) I do not consider a society "peaceful" or "peace-loving" if they condone the sending of their citizens to commit cold-blooded murder. Honestly, I'd admire their conviction and resolve a lot more if the suicide bombers killed only themselves in (...) (21 years ago, 27-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

all, property
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		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in liberated Iraq"
(...) Despite the noise coming from Washington, and the right's "islamo-fascist" paranoia, Iraq remains < (URL) secular>. That said, I agree that Bush is radicalizing moderate opinion… and not just in Iraq! Only one country remains placid: his own. (...) (21 years ago, 6-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
(...) lol. By "dealings", I assume you mean give them WMD and help oppress their populations? BTW: Don't forget, SH was the "lesser of two evils" during the 1991 uprising. (...) Are you saying all post 1945 US military actions have been illegal? (...) (21 years ago, 7-Apr-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: I'm lucky to be alive
(...) This topic isn't exactly an obsession of mine but I thought I'd point out that much more than certain "costs" are at stake here. And I for one am not prepared to accept that money will cover for the damages (i.e. the ability to cover for the (...) (24 years ago, 21-Sep-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Copyright/Fair use question
(...) If he wouldn't have purchased it a million years, then why would he want you to give a copy to him? If you're giving a copy to him because he wants it but wouldn't in a million years deign to purchase it, then it's theft. Same with books and (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Yet another push for thoughtful legislation from Tennessee
(...) My "hypothetical" specifically discounted governmental action, which I think we'd all agree needs to affirm and protect the rights of all. JOHN (21 years ago, 18-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: March Madness?
(...) This may be an "agree to disagree" point. It's well established that the phrase was injected into the pledge to distinguish our "Christian" nation from the godless atheists of the communist USSR, and it's also well established that Eisenhower (...) (21 years ago, 26-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: March Madness?
(...) I don't think that the mere mention of a God connotates an invocation of that God. The pledge is directed towards the flag and to our nation-- "under God" is a description of that nation. All the phrase really means is that the majority of the (...) (21 years ago, 25-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Marriage (was: Re: Yet another push for thoughtful legislation from Tennessee)
(...) Well, the last time I looked, they're pretty different in most cases. But my point is that the difference between men and women is not central to marriage. Therefore the difference between men and women cannot be used as a gatekeeper criterion (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Yet another push for thoughtful legislation from Tennessee
(...) Yes, they do. As long as the forsake any governmental affiliation is strictly adhered to. That's tough to do today though. (...) But LUGNET, being completely privately funded, ought to (under the free association clause) be completely within (...) (21 years ago, 19-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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