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Re: From Reason: "It's all bad news - Chaos in occupied Iraq"
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Tue, 25 May 2004 18:05:05 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
From its very pages:
Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, a spokesman for the occupation forces, estimated
that there were a total of 3,000 to 5,000 guerrilla fighters in Iraq, with
5 to 10 percent of those coming from outside the country.
Since when did 5 to 10% = “most”?
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They are the ones who keep blowing themselves up and wreaking all of the
havoc-- exactly what al-qaeda wants (not Iraq)
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I assume that is suppostion. My point is that you appeared to be wrong when
you said “The resistance in Iraq is coming primarily from outside Iraq, not
in.” OK?
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The resistance in Iraq is coming primarily from outside Iraq, not in.
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Like those folks at that wedding?
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Won’t dignify that smart-ass remark with a repl.....uh, nevermind.
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Bush’s spin: “This is one of the routes we have watched for a long time as a
place where foreign fighters and smugglers go.”
The reality:
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(snipped)
Is this where I reply by posting a link to the Nick Berg slaughter? You are
being a jerk.
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What does using Nick Berg’s “slaughter” to justify the bombing of a wedding make
you?
As an aside, I heard that if one searches google for
Nick
Berg conspiracy the results are up there with the JFK theories. (NOTE:My
firewall prevents me from checking the content of any sites found).
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Bush’s inability to admit fault is further radicalisimg opinion in the
region and thus increasing the “threat” to us all.
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So, 9-11 was Bush’s fault? Whose fault was it, then?
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Forgive me if I was unclear; I was referring to the bombing of the wedding in
Iraq.
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As
Friedman says, it is better to address this threat early outside of US
borders before it reaches us.
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...Bush is increasing the threat; don’t doubt that!
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How do you increase a threat as large as the 9-11 attack?
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The 9-11(R) attack was not a threat.
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Don’t be daft! I am talking about another attack that would be
“increased” (your words)
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I’ll answer your Q again:
John: “How do you increase a threat as large as the 9-11 attack?”
Scott: By invading a country which had no link with 911.
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I think Bush
overreacted to decrease that threat, if anything.
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The main source of concern pre 911 was US support for the Saudi’s and
Israel.
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And obviously, that concern was vastly inadequate given the events of 9-11.
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I’m not clear what you mean?
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Bush has made that list much longer! Bush only reacts to the symptoms; not
the causes. I can’t think of any real effort he has made to target what
drives the “evil doers”.
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Listen to me, Scott, because I’m sick and tired of “going there” over this
issue. The motivation of the terrorists is not our concern.
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In that case, how can their violence be quelled?
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We can’t stop
sick minds from thinking evil. Do you even know what the terrorists
want???? Do you? What do they want, Scott?
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Which ones; there are so many these days! Some want the US/UK out of Iraq. Some
want Israel out of the occupied territories. Some want the downfall of the Saudi
Royal Family.
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Even if America pulls every
single American back to the US and never steps foot outside of her borders,
do you think that would make them happy?
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In my opinion, it is too late for the US/UK to pull out of Iraq. It is not too
late to involve the UN more and perhaps eat some humble pie.
BTW: I think if Bush stopped funding human rights abuses outside the USA that
would be a good way of reducing the threat.
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This isn’t about poverty or
suffering of the poor or any other social issue you want to envoke. It is
about religious fanaticism-- psychotic, inhuman, and irrational.
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Ah, are talking about the NeoCons now?
George Bush: ‘the terrorists hate
the fact that ... we can worship Almighty God the way we see fit,’ and that the
United States was called to bring God’s gift of liberty to ‘every human being in
the world.’
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There is no
“dealing” with that.
Try to get this through your thick skull: they want everybody (not just the
US) either to become one of them or die.
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You are talking about a small minority of extremists whose numbers are growing
due to Bush & Co; do you deny that much?
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That’s it. What did you ever do
to these people?
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Actually, the UK’s history in the Middle East is rather mixed.
From that very page: Muhammad Sulaiman, president of the Islamic Cultural
Society, the largest of the 14 mosques in Luton, dismisses al-Muhajiroun as
“verbal diarrhoea”.
“They are an extreme Rightwing group - the Muslim version of the BNP,” he
says disdainfully. “They think Muslims should dominate, just like the BNP thinks
whites should dominate. They use Islam as a vehicle to promote their distorted
beliefs, particularly to unemployed young bloods who are vulnerable.
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I read that I am simply dumbfounded.
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No, you are neurotic. ;)
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That is what we are up against.
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More “verbal diarrhoea”?
Scott A
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