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Re: In the interest of full disclosure...
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:42:59 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tim Culberson writes:
> I realise the limits of taking an analogy too far...but since you
> already did it.....what you've just said is still intelligent design.
> What are the chances of a moustrap forming if you put all the parts into
> a box and shake it - that's not having intellignet design.
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> snippo
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> I love this example. I see you conveniently left out "the chef
> (baker?)" in your list. Without any "thing that is intelligent" to
> create the cake, you'll never have a cake....even if you wait for 4.5
> billion years. That scaffolding you list is useless without somebody to
> use it!
The breaking point with both analogies is that they refer to human-invented
artefacts (leading to the spurious conclusion that the universe is
_necessarily_ a God-invented artefact). Re the scaffolding, I can give an
example from embryology. At one stage of development the fingers of a foetus
have connective webbing, which later disappears. There's no intervention
from any "divine architect" to specifically remove that webbing, its growth
and disappearance is a totally natural process. The webbing facilitates the
development of our fingers, yet can scarcely be discerned in a normal fully
formed hand. In other words, just because scaffolding is no longer present,
doesn't mean that it wasn't there before, and a complex developed structure
doesn't require a more complex precursor.
Instead of pushing the tiresome sophistry of Dr Dino back and forth, I'd
appreciate a more interesting discussion. I hope a reply to my post
http://news.lugnet.com/off-topic/debate/?n=9082 would be a good place to start.
--DaveL
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