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| | | (...) I'm not sure politicians really do have power. Surly the power lies with the electorate? (...) The problem with your LP is that, those at the bottom of society would also have less “power”. (...) The others include increased social division. (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) Charmingly naiive, don't you think? Elections are held once in a while. Politicians exert power every day. They DERIVE their power from the consent of the governed but they exercise it, nonetheless. Elementary civics. (...) Feel free to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4JFsK.53n@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) consent (...) Well, here in the UK, I can go round and see my MP this weekend if I wish. I can tell her just what I think, and expect her to (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) Ya, and I can call my congressman or go to his office. I can even share my views, and the office often does give help to constitutents. But if you equate that with "you're in control", somehow, you're confused. Your elections are when? At (...) (24 years ago, 24-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) This is common. Tough choices are made at the start of the life of a government, implementing then is often uncomfortable. By the time the election comes round, the “tough choice” will be producing results. (...) Not really. Thatcher started (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott and Larry write: (...) [snip] (...) This is great! "You say something and I'll pay attention and we'll talk about it." "No, you" "No, you" etc... The basic fact is that you're both right. Since I largely agree with (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | I'm at the near point of avoiding this group altogether. I personally wish Scott and Larry would just killfile each other and be done with it. While I side mostly with Larry, the way this "discussion" is being handled is useless and pointless. Larry (...) (24 years ago, 26-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Arguments are never won here Tom, they just end. Often weight of numbers, produces and end. However, just because a debate ends it does not follow that is has been won/lost. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the US membership of LUGNET does (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) I (mostly) disagree. Of course part of my agreement is that in a way you are right, very few arguments are ever "won". But this group can and has been the catalyst for changes in opinion. I have certainly changed my opinions (and you can go (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Not admitting defeat doesn't mean a debate hasn't been lost (or won). Sometimes the debate provokes further thought on the subject - and that's the place that people change their minds. Admit it, how many of you are second-guessing eating (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) LP is a vote of principle, and it largely benefits from disillusionment with the political process – a belief that a win for Gore/Bush will result in same outcome for the USA. I'm willing to bet that a good deal of LP voters would rather not (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Web interface doesn't support it so I have to manually ignore... :-) Dunno what Scott's reasoning is. (...) This is an excellent summation. He won't do research, I won't do it for him, he won't stop sniping, and I will not answer every snipe. (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes (...) Ah, Larry! Ever the gifted phrase-maker! 8^) Dave! (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | 1. 1st I had to state my arguments - you refused to answer them. 2. Then you asked me to raise one point at a time - you refused to answer it. 3. Now I have to raise a single point at a time, and start a new thread for each. You _really_ are (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) I find it ridiculous that Larry asked me to raise specific question so he can clarify his thinking - but he then refuses to answer me. To a certain extent, cherry picking questions one wishes to answer is part of a debate. Refusing to answer (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) It way well be obvious to you. But many economists accept that there is no reason to think that the market will always work. From what I read of Larry's friend, Hayek, on Friday I know he was one of them. I understand Larry has an (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) According to my understanding of Catholic doctrine yes, or effectively yes. If a Catholic wishes to refute this, I'd welcome a response. My understanding of Catholicism includes the following points: 1. The pope is the leader of the Catholic (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Lets keep politics out of Lego —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) Every catholic - perhaps. Scott A (...) (24 years ago, 27-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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