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OK, I think it's time to restate and clarify a few things before this gets totally out of hand. To Lar) First of all, Lar, I apologize if anything I said seemed like an insult of any kind. It was not my intention, and I don't hate you or anything. (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No offense, but I think your logic is a little flawed. I'm unfamiliar with the "Todd-o-meter", but I am a pretty big SW fan myself (Todd knows me well enough to rate me on his meter if he chooses to, I think). Anyway, point is, I am a big SW (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) nor (...) Seconded. Frank (who is at least a 5 out of 10 on the scale for Star Wars fan (probably a 6 or 7), and doesn't hate Jar-Jar. (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually I was proceeding according to Todd's logic, which I happen to agree with, so I guess you could call it mine as well. (URL) (...) It follows according to Todd's earlier post, which seems to agree with my experience. You might be an (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Todd sais he thought there would be a strong corrolation between people who are big Star Wars fans and people who strongly dislike Jar Jar. You directly say that because you are a Star Wars fan, you dislike Jar Jar. Your conclusion is (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sometimes surprised, but I don't think this one has the potential to get out of hand. (...) Shucks...me too. I actually think I was mildly insulting to you Mark, and I do actually apologize. I could have made my points more mildly. (...) (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) I don't mind having to display ID to gain access to adult privileges. What I meant by "censor" are the efforts of Irate Parent Groups who wish to ban things like videogames or CDs etc. because they dislike them. (...) No, I have (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, I'm behind you on this stance. I agree. When I was a teen Tipper Gore was famous for making waves trying to get the PMRTC (or whatever, I know that's not right) in place to regulate music lyrics. I'm opposed. OTOH, volluntary rating (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) All righty then. I took your response to mean "Hopefully we won't change our minds and have kids" Just one of those misintrepretations that happens in newsgroups sometimes. No harm, no foul. ~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh my! Looking over that, I can see what you mean. Sorry, not at all what I meant. I'm seriously trying to disagree with you in a mature way. Chris (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, there must be an established SW fan-scale or geek-code out there -- ? That could be a lot of fun -- take a questionnaire and find out where you fit on the SW purity test or whatever. Anyway, I'd put you at about 8/10, give or take a half. (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Frankly Mark, I think it is totally stupid that you have to go to such a length to explain why you hold the opinion that you do not like JarJar. I think it an even further insult that you have to qualify your explanations. If Gungans were real (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But Jude, he doesn't have to. (...) See above. (...) This is like totally missing the points. (Which have gone way beyond Jar-jar, and into the meat of censorship and societal obligation.) (...) I agree with this sentiment completely. But that (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, I know, in a later reply you'll note that I corrected him for misquoting you (or, at least, misrepresenting what you said). (...) Hmm. Well, I don't know if it's admiration-worthy... I mean, don't get me wrong, I think he's an annoying (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I ain't Mark but I think I can put forth two reasons... both legitimate. 1. Uncritical examination of my original post (and let's face it, who has time to read every word of my pontification and ponder the meaning in depth, especially when it (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry, What is the point that I am missing? (not rhetorical) I guess I must be thick or I did not follow the topic close enough. :-) Jude (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 2 posts back... so the >> are not quite right Chris said: (...) Helps? To my way of thinking this particular subthread is not about JarJar per se, or even about real characters vs. fantasy. It's about when is portrayal of the initiation of (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry, Thanks. I now realize my post would have been more appropriate to the other branch of this thread where the debate seems to be more on the JarJar hatred than the whole responsability issue. As far as the censorship debate goes, I personally (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What I would love to see for the web is a simple set of html "ratings" tags. These would be voluntarily applied by authors, and would be used by browsers to block access or give warning before proceding as the machine owner desires (and I do (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I remember when Tipper pushed through the "Parental Advisory" labels on CD/Tape packaging. I was in Junior High or High School at the time (don't remember exactly which) and soon after she got those pushed through, there were T-shirts and hats (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Greco's annoyance was a bit misdirected, so I apologize. I was more annoyed with Dan for instantly changing his cartoon. I didn't think you were calling for any type of censorship. (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No problem... ++Lar (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It may depend on what your opinion of the problem is. :-) If you put a disclaimer that says, "Some materials may be unsuitable for some viewers," or "Viewer discretion is advised," or "Some materials may be unsuitable for young audiences," (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The opinions expressed in the preceding post were those of Todd Lehman and may not necessarily reflect those of all LUGNET members. :-) Jude (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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