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(...) I've never quite understood this criticism. How is a movie that covers the action of little more than a squad supposed to cover Juno, Gold, and Sword? D-Day is all of 20 minutes of the film. Doesn't Britain have it's own film industry? Can't (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The film is longer than 20 minutes. Even so, were the pathfinders on all the beaches not Brits? Also, in WW2, what would the chances of a black guy (Diesel) being in a frontline squad be? Were non-whites not relegated to logistics (as they (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Your command of the obvious is impressive. (...) What the heck is your point? You really will argue about anything! (...) Again, it is a movie, not a documentary. (...) Again, what the heck is your point? (that is a rhetorical question because (...) (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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John I can’t help but think you are over-egging this. You force feed your teenagers this flick if you wish. I’ll focus on why D-Day had to happen, why men had to die & what would have happened if D-Day had failed. Scott A (20 years ago, 29-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You were complaining about D-Day. As I said, the D-Day sequence is all of 20 minutes of the film. The rest is a squad searching for an american paratrooper which were generally dropped behind the american beaches. (...) Were they with the (...) (20 years ago, 30-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think "randomly dropped” would be a better descriptor. ;) (...) The landing craft's pilot would probably have been a Brit. (...) I see your point, perhaps I was just been overly cautious of the movie industry re-writing history. As an aside, (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Flung about willy-nilly? Snafu was the order of the day, and it was up the skill, intelligence, and daring of those involved to make order out of chaos. (...) I can't say that I recall one way or the other, but I presume that they would be (...) (20 years ago, 31-May-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Unique Selling Point. I understand he ticks all the correct ethnic minority boxes in one swoop. This means there is no need for other minorities to have a token presence in a movie, thus allowing more room for white guys! (...) I knew fine (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think you need to make up your mind whether he is black or a "USP", which would imply you should have known to check the character's name. :-O And clearly you haven't seen his movies (which may be a blessing) in regards to the accusations (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sure--just like Blue Velvet. Dave! (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) How would 40's America have viewed him. (A genuine question). (...) You mean like your name implies your Irishness? ;) (...) Did I? I'll take your word for it... you certainly have noted your Irishness a few times. (...) I'm not about to watch (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) But an utterly non-relevant one! :-) (...) Don't wanna admit that you identified the character as black incorrectly, eh? :-) (...) Right there earlier in the sequence quoted above! (...) But never by the phrase "Irish-American". And I believe (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That depends on what relevance one attaches to the character’s name alone. (...) I'm happy to admit to not having watched the film enough to know the character's name. I'm happy to admit to not knowing what typical African-American surnames (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If the character was "passing for Italian (descent)" the film probably would have made a point of it. I just think you are making a mistake in presuming that since Vin Diesal is black/part-black, that he is only going to play a character that (...) (20 years ago, 1-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well you have identified yourself "Half-Irish". Why is it a problem for me to remind you of that? Scott A (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Searching under the phrase you place in quotes yields no messages that I can find where I said such. Wouldn't be accurate anyway since I am not half-Irish. The problem lies in that you keep ascribing phrases to me that I didn't use to back up (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Search for "(URL) bruce half irish>". It is not the phrase i place in quotes, but you do say you are half Irish! (...) I see your point: I've been sloppy with my "quotes" when I should have used use 'these' to parenthesise terminology I wished (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not another word safari! If you have an exact cut and paste quote, I can figure it out. I'm 1/4 Irish. The most I can figure is that I was sloppy and said something about the Irish "half" of the family because I only deal with the German and (...) (20 years ago, 2-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Actually, Scott's got you, Bruce: (URL) (This mindset was > originally more than just language--the Commonwealth as > it exists today was in fact less ambitious than the original > schemes for Imperial Federation, which could not guarantee > that (...) (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm...mmm, well......... I lied. :-) And I didn't say Irish-American. Nyahh. Nyahh, nyahh, nyahh! -->Bruce<-- 1/2 German, 1/4 Irish, 1/8 Norwegian, 1/8 Dutch, 100% 'Merican Mongrel. (20 years ago, 3-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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