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| | | You know, I had kinda hoped that someone other than John might have spoken up in defence here. Perhaps that they have not is a very good sign. This post is longish, and I do apologise. I don't normally wax quite so lyrical, but it is a deep and (...) (20 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | (...) De plane, boss, de plane! De fence, boss, de fence! Oh, sorry, defense. Ummmmmmmm, okay, maybe if I knew what I was supposed to be defending. Perhaps if I read on and not pick on a minor error... :-) (...) I find something ironic in that (...) (20 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | | | (...) Mmmmmm. Brevity being the soul of wit etc. 'namby-pamby PC touchy-feely' is a collection of adjectives I seldom encounter in relation to myself (I think if I was John I'd be offended ;-), and its not like the additional detail is helping very (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | Just a drive by participant here in this particular thread, more's the pity as it has been interesting and I wish I had more time.... (...) I agree with this but fear that in some cases (that of the radical fanatic who is convinced that his god is (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | | | | (...) It does. There are different kinds of religions. Changing a popular or materially well resourced religion is no small thing. But even Christianity got over this when essentially left to its own devices. Mind you, in the hundreds of years it (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate spelling properly —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | | (...) Well, Bruce old man, you sat me back on my heels there for a minute, but no, this is not an error, just yet more American Imperialism and intolerance! 'If you don't do it like me you must be wrong'. Top marks. Next you'll be explaining to me (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate spelling properly —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) Who can keep up with British backwardness, I tell ya! :-) (oops) But still worth making fun of! De feet, boss, de feet! (...) Considering how much you ran on about it, I doubt that! :-) (...) See! I was right! (...) Michaelangelo disagrees (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —John Neal
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| | | | (...) (snippage) (...) First, I think we all can agree that no nation is perfect, including the US. That said, I am reticent about commenting on Guantanamo because I don't believe that enough facts are about the interned are readily available. I (...) (20 years ago, 13-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | (...) I think Richard was talking about the "givens" that they have been held for up to 2 years without being charged, in the name of "security". Something that the administration would frown upon in the name of freedom. (...) Women, pregnant women, (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) There are so many different legal issues-- definitions of POWs and of being "at war" and the Geneva Convention and whatnot. It's lawyer stuff and I really try to avoid it. That doesn't mean that there aren't people out there who aren't on up (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | (...) But a land invasion was tried first! "Oh well, that didn't work looks like more innocents will die that way, lets go with the nuke and see how well that works". And they didn't stop at one to see if it worked, they killed many more thousands (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | (...) You have summed up the problem without realizing it, I think. If, for example, an administration wanted to quiet someone, all they have to do is throw them in the Gulag (I like Richard's appraisal of what it is) and simply refuse to divulge (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) First off, let's not assume that those detained are "innocent". They all were captured fighting against our forces. When I said "all of the facts aren't in", I meant that I didn't possess all of the facts in order to comment-- and neither does (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | (...) (rereading what I wrote) Nope, didn't say that. They all (...) Allegedly. Maybe. Maybe not. If they were, two years held without charges? Those in charge are incompetent or evil. Take your pick, we need to get rid of them either way. When I (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) lol I'll gladly drop it:-) (...) I'm curious. If WMDs were discovered to have been smuggled off to Syria, would Bush be exonerated in your estimation? (regardless of whether you thought attacking Iraq was a good idea or not) (...) I believe (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) If the elections are rigged so that only the two entrenched parties can prevail and the facts of the situation are shrouded in secrecy, how exactly are the leaders in any way accountable? (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | (...) Well, the public can rely on perfectly secure and transparent digital voting systems, as well as an accurately representative and flexible electoral college, just like we enjoy here in the States. Dave! (20 years ago, 15-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | (...) No wonder I didn't get it. I would never have thought that I needed a moral justification for freeing myself from 'evil oppression'. I'll think on this some more. (snip) (...) I am not sure that there is a useful difference between the concept (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) I fear you still don't get it. I am talking about killing an innocent (unrelated to your oppression) in order to free you from your oppressor. I am saying that that action is morally unjustified. (...) WRT to Iraq, the US took great care to (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Terrorists hate freedom —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Why are unlawful killings not investigated? This is from (URL) HRW>: “It’s a tragedy that U.S. soldiers have killed so many civilians in Baghdad,” said Joe Stork, acting executive director of the Middle East and North Africa division at Human (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Welcome aboard [was Re: Terrorists hate freedom] —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) …and who is making sure we stay in the dark? The reality is that five Britons were released without charge from Guntanamo Bay this week... a fact that suggests Bush had no reason to hold them! Since their release, they have been giving their (...) (20 years ago, 14-Mar-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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