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  Re: Is the Intifada working?
 
(...) The terrorists win every day. Every time Hammas sets of a bomb, and Bush/Sharon respond by saying they won't talk to Arafat - Hammas wins. Every day Israel steals more and more land - Israeli extremists win. The very last thing Sharon or (...) (23 years ago, 24-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Is the Intifada working?
 
(...) Wow, this may be the first time I have ever heard that terrorism might actually be successful in bringing down a gov't. People aren't shopping for fear of getting killed, tourism drasically down, recession, 10 percent unemployment, and the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Good [Sniper] Quote
 
"Snipers are ordinary people, who have taken on an extraordinary job. The title 'sniper' is one we wear with pride. Real snipers save lives, every time they go to work." From: (URL) A (23 years ago, 24-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Is the Intifada working?
 
It looks like it is: Israel asks US for $10bn to halt recession - Intifada takes its toll on a once-buoyant economy (URL) is interesting about the text is how Sharon is reported to be using Iraq as a lever to get more US tax dollars from Bush Jr. (...) (23 years ago, 22-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Oral Argument: Eldred v. Ashcroft
 
For more check out: (URL) I of the U.S. Constitution states the following: "To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;" (...) (23 years ago, 21-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Counterscript
 
I ran across this linked from Penny Arcade... (URL) appears serious (but how can you tell these days). :-) or at least formatted prettily. Contrast with: (URL) (and other variants, which have been around a long time). I posted to both .fun and (...) (23 years ago, 17-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: debate fodder from an unusual source...
 
(...) I would imagine that both are related to the level the economy is operating at. (...) I'm not sure "Railroads" have been nationalised in the UK(?) - I exepct Tony has went the "3rd Way". (...) However you look at that mess, it is not an (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: debate fodder from an unusual source...
 
(...) What are the other criteria used to determine/justify these "natural monopolies?" (...) My coworker has a power line running to his house that he occasionally uses during peak use times on the weekend, but primarily generates his own power. If (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: debate fodder from an unusual source...
 
(...) *some* economists do. Others reject the notion of a natural monopoly. The classic example is the (...) Just as a side note, I've said in the past that I didn't buy the natural monopoly argument, and have argued in detail against specific (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: how to make points?
 
(...) Since that would mean that my wife has standing to comment (at about 1/8 Native American) but I (at pretty much all European) don't... I would tend to hold it as not reasonable. Else she'll hold it against ME! (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: debate fodder from an unusual source...
 
(...) I assume here you are taking about power supply rather than generation? Likewise for water supply and sewage collection - rather than water and sewerage treatment? (...) For some cities the airports may well be. But I think that as long as (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: debate fodder from an unusual source...
 
Economist have a concept called "natural monopoly" which refers to a industry where the capital investment is so large that it is not in society's best interest for there to be one than one supplier. The classic example is the local power industry (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: debate fodder from an unusual source...
 
(...) The changes are outlined here: (URL) the UK we "invest" in roads and "subsidise" the railways. Scott A (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: debate fodder from an unusual source...
 
(...) There was actually a pretty good opinion piece, I think in the NYT (but possibly in Newsweek), that discussed the disconnect between air travel and train service. It laid out the numbers and pointed out that since 1936, the airline industry (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: how to make points?
 
(...) I believe the author is the late Paula Giese, and she certainly doesn't make any points with me for her patronizing attitude toward schoolteachers as well as for her panning of Lynn Reid Banks' Indian in the Cupboard: (URL) of the issues (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  how to make points?
 
Consider this page: (URL) author certainly makes a bunch of valid points (although I dunno about the "arrogant and ignorant Brits" being valid or not... :-) )... but consider whether he's likely to make many converts by berating his readership. I (...) (23 years ago, 15-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  debate fodder from an unusual source...
 
This article makes the case against airline bailouts and airlines in general... (URL) found the Warren Buffett quote particularly hilarious (his frustration with airlines and their service was part of why he was instrumentel in founding the pioneer (...) (23 years ago, 13-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: DMs (was: Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant)
 
(...) That's great! The CDs and book are probably not that bad, and I kinda like non-black DMs. I used to have a pair of cherry red three-hole shoes. Nice ones. Fredrik (23 years ago, 13-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: DMs (was: Re: Dave's Anti-American Rant)
 
(...) In addition to my other garage sale FOTW (URL) found some new Doc Martens (1460 boots) in my size for $5! The only thing is they are a forest green color, and I was forced to take two CD's (Erasure and Duran Duran) and a Terry Brooks novel (...) (23 years ago, 12-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) Or are they one of the puppet-masters? (...) You'll know when there are no other options available. Seriously tough, if you look at the Declaration of Independence, ( (URL) ) you can see some startling similarities between the state that they (...) (23 years ago, 12-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) Well as my original post was *meant* to convey, (of which the line was snipped,) was that what I assume is that most people who support gun control, actually believe it is for the overall good. I doubt most gun control advocates even think of (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) That may be *one* of the reasons, but it's no more insidious than the NRA's big-business pro-gun lobby, which has much less to do with personal freedoms than it has to do with lining the pockets of the gun industry. That's not to say that the (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Warriors or Fools? (was Re: Former Iraqi General)
 
(...) As if he weren't already a canonized thief, W has in a single stroke demonstrated that Clinton (anyone remember our most recently elected President?) was far from our least moral commander-in-chief. (...) Four of the six reps in my area voted (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Warriors or Fools? (was Re: Former Iraqi General)
 
Well, it's all just so many words now. From what I understand of it, our reps did well by us in the Bay Area, CA. What's everyone else's excuse? It is not generally thought that any war right now will be good for the economy. With low sales numbers (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) Isn't that the real reason behind the "gun control is good" lobby? "Support gun control and give up your fundamental rights today." The Tyrants that actually believe what they do is for our own good, are the most dangerous of all. (I know, I (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Not the Green party...
 
(...) This is a real interesting question. It's crystal clear to me that the parties should have a lot of say over how their name gets used. On the other hand, perhaps the parties should not "own" positions on the ballot. So, let's say a Republican (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Not the Green party...
 
(...) Good. Because if you go down that road it opens up a whole topic about crackpots... in every party... which I think we can skip, ne? However I think there IS an interesting topic in there, which is this, where should a smaller party draw the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) Well, maybe it's time for me to be a little foolish maybe. I think as long as they know we could revolt, there is likely to never be the actual need to do so -- rather like the concept of mutually assured destruction. I don't think they'll (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) Don't be too hard on yourself -- it's REALLY hard to know what is going on without accessing more international sources. And it doesn't matter the source -- almost ALL media is controlled, and usually by people with hefty wallets. You have to (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Cost Of Living (was Re: Ed's opinion of Larry and other trivia)
 
(...) There are certainly places where teachers should be making more money. Schools though, waste huge sums of money in an attempt to educate. There are (private) schools that do a better job for less money without depriving the teachers. Maybe the (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) Armed rebellion...at least for a little while yet. Chris (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Not the Green party...
 
(...) So, I'll be able to walk the dog, the cat, the bird, AND the ferret?!? Oh no..... Bruce (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Not the Green party...
 
(...) You're right, Dave! We should stick to pertinent topics propounded by the Libertarians. I mean, what Californian could forget candidate for Lt. Gov. Pat Wright's pet issue? (URL) C. (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) Well after reading that enlightening (for lack of a more suitable description) article, I now see that my previous opinion of; "liberating the Iraqi people would be a good idea," was nothing more than delusional idealism. Idealism truly is a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Not the Green party...
 
(...) Now, now! I'm far from a Libertarian apologist, but even I recognize the folly of judging a group by the silliness of one (or a few) of its members (though it may be a lot of fun!). It's much more rhetorically sound to address the tenets of a (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Not the Green party...
 
(...) I'm sorely tempted to make a wisecrack about what this says about the intelligence of libertarians, but I will refrain. Colloidal silver, indeed. --Bill. (23 years ago, 8-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Cost Of Living (was Re: Ed's opinion of Larry and other trivia)
 
While the schools themselves may not need money (that's debatable for many areas - if a school is falling apart from lack of money for basic maintenance along with much-needed upgrades, it needs money), the teachers do. If a teacher cannot afford to (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) It's going to take a while to digest all this info, may take more than one reading to get the full scope, but ditto to what Dave! just said. Welcome to the American Empire, where the liberties and freedoms of individuals anywhere in the world (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) This is, sadly, the exact kind of helplessness and futility that Scott and I were discussing in the other thread. I can read all of this, and it certainly seems consistent with what we know of Bush (eg: stolen elections and questionable (...) (23 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Former Iraqi General
 
(...) (URL) Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 9-Oct-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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