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All the statistics said was that: "51.1 percent said that the aim of the Intifadah is to liberate all Palestinian land (historic Palestine) as opposed to 42.8 percent who said the Intifadah's aim is to end the Israeli occupation." However, only (...) (22 years ago, 13-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean by "all the statistics said was that.."? The conclusion is that over half of the Palestinians want Israel GONE. That seems pretty significant to me. (...) Define "ordinary Palestinians" (...) I'm not going to deny that there (...) (22 years ago, 14-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not quite, 51.5% think the aim is to liberate all (historic) Palestinian. I expect what you believe may well be true, but that stat does not show that. (...) Mr/Ms Average (...) Is that a "Yes"? (...) So why did he agree to Oslo? (...) Just an (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is no (historic) Palestine. There is no such thing as Palestinians. The whole concept was made up during the last 50 years so 'we' could stop calling them Arab refugees. (...) Wouldn't it be cool if your "ordinary Palestinians" actually (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is not my choice of words. I am referring to the wording of the question... nothing more (see above). However, you are quite wrong. The Balfour declaration (1917) quite clearly referred to the area as “Palestine”. I have no idea when it was (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Perhaps we should call them “'Arab' refugees from the area formally known as Palestine but now known as Israel and the occupied territories”? Or ARFTAFKAPBNKAIATOT for short? ;) Scott A denial: (psychology) an ego defense mechanism that (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The (...) Is the claim that "Palestine" was made up in '48? I thought that 2500 years ago Heroditus called the land that had been occupied by the Philistines by the name of Palestine. Though I know there are references suggesting that the name (...) (22 years ago, 17-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) calling (...) name (...) Ok let me clarify. No one that was living on the land ever called it Palestine or called themselves Palestinians. The current group of 'Arab refugees' have adopted the name I assume to reinforce their 'ancestoral' ties (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) is (...) The (...) That was not really meant against you or your words personally. (which I did realize were not yours anyway.) (...) Already discussed elsewhere in the thread. (...) to (...) The Israeli armour only moved in after 18 months of (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> (...) Israeli armour has been there since they started killing civilians and stealing land in '48. (...) What do you mean "started the whole thing"? Did they invite Israel to kick them of their land in '48? I think not. (...) They are (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is interesting. Let's just assume you are correct for a moment. Two sceneries to consider: 1948 A "Palestinian" family has been living on a plot of land for 3 years. The Israel army happens along and bulldozes the family’s house in their (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) called (...) the (...) many (...) there (...) Palestine (...) A History lesson is obviously needed here. After World War 2 the newly founded United Nations decided to create a Jewish State so they would never be subjected to a holocaust again. (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you mean revisionist history? ;-) (...) Do have any data which proves this? I would be interested to see it as it would mean that this is all wrong: Estimated Population of Palestine 1870-1946 Arabs (%) Jews (%) Total 1870 367,224 (98%) (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes: <snip> Mike: Leaving aside the propriety of quoting large sections of email that's written in a style that pretty clearly suggests who the author was (to longtime readers) after the author asked (...) (22 years ago, 23-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well the author did not actually ask for anonymity, and I really did not expect anyone to guess. (Though I guess I should know better. My mistake, it won't happen again.) (...) Yeah I screwed that up too. Um, how do I cancel the message? (...) (...) (22 years ago, 24-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No one was casting any aspersions for what was an honest mistake. I wouldn't worry about it much... How to cancel depends on how you posted. If you used a newsreader you should be able to cancel from that reader, see your docs. If you used the (...) (22 years ago, 24-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the prompt reply. I sent the appropriate message. (...) Well I think I'll give it a day or two and see what's up. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 24-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read a couple of quotes the other day that I thought made a great postscript to this post: In early '48 it was questioned why Israel had no land in the Jerusalem area, this was Ben-Gurion's answer: "The war will give us the land. The concept (...) (22 years ago, 25-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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