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| | | (...) The situation in the Middle East is complicated. Both sides have points to be made and complaints that deserve a hearing. But there are stark differences between the two – and these differences paint a clear picture of who wears the black hat (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) By building 34 settlements in the past year? (...) By firing missiles into residential areas? (...) I don't see much of this "tolerance". (...) Indeed. Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 4-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | I think that every single assertion in this note is incorrect. I'm not sure that I've ever seen that happen before. Oh, no...I was wrong. The first two sentences are reasonable. Chris (...) (22 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) You are entitled to your own opinion, however wrong it is (as in this case). I've seen that happen lots of times before. -John (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | Y'know, these ad hominem attacks are quite annoying. Do y'all think you improve understanding of a pointedly pro-Israel perspective without providing any kind of REAL argument to favor your views? James' original assertions were tripe, practically (...) (22 years ago, 17-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —James Trobaugh
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| | | | | | (...) The Palestinian people have been taught, almost since birth, to hate Israel and Jews. You can’t find a map in a Palestinian school that shows the nation of Israel. The hatred is deep and intense … and no negotiations or negotiated peace (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | (...) People that prize peace do not express themselves in terms of "complete military victory." And you think I make scarey comments? I think Israel already has complete superiority by way of arms. Why don't they just march on in and commit (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Scariness (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) I was tempted to reply to James with "this is one of the scariest, most disturbing posts I've ever read on LUGNET."... but I thought I had better not! ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Scariness (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Maybe because what James said happens to be true-- you need to think about history to appreciate its wisdom. I will go on record as to saying that Richard's post in question was probably the most disturbing I've ever read in this forum as (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Scariness (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Perhaps you could explain this a little more so that the "wisdom" may be appreciated? (...) Perhaps you could explain (as I think nobody else has despite requests) why it is so disturbing? Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Scariness (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) quoteth James (...) Victory can bring us peace? What, at the annihilation of one side or the other? True, that's peace, since you now have no one that disagrees with you. Further, if you think victory doesn't necessitate a complete total party (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Scariness (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I said *think* about it. Think of major conflicts and how they were eventually resolved. (...) Well, it's pretty self-evident IMO. If you don't realize it right away, I doubt any amount of explanation would help you understand anyway. -John (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Scariness (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) And since this topic/discussion/issue is so convoluted to begin with, *not* clarifying what a person meant will really help the situation. True understanding comes with discourse, thru talking about it, with listening to other people's POV. (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Scariness (was Re: Conflict in the Middle East) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) :-O Scott A (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —James Trobaugh
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| | | | | | | | (...) First let it be said that I don't enjoy the idea of war, I have never personally fought in one and hope I never do, nor do I hope my son has to. (I did spend 5 years with the Sheriff's but that's a whole different kind of battle). What I am (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) Sorry, I may have misunderstood your tone a little(!). (...) Scotland & England worked it out in the end... Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | (...) As did the British Empire and the United States. Why? There was no 'clear victory' of either side in that war ('cause like, Canada's still here :) ) but, bottom line, imho,-- education. First it was war. Then realizing that neither party was (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —James Trobaugh
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| | | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) Huh? I'm pretty sure that there was a clear victor in the American Revolution, otherwise our money would still have a picture of the Queen on it. (no real comment on why Canada is here (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) like Independance Day--I really liked the Presidents speech - the world united with one voice--'we shall not go quietly into the night...' etc. Sometimes I wish there was an external threat to humanity, cause that would put all these petty (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, it was especially great the way he exhorted us to rage, rage against the dying of the light. Dave! (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Um, arguably if you were to place the AR in the context of the overall NA colonial struggle, as just one part of the entire multiparty "war" (other parts included the French and Indian war, and the War of 1812, as well as undeclared naval wars (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Lawrence Wilkes
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| | | | | | | | "Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:Gut7s7.IoD@lugnet.com... (...) Except when they meet at Wembley :-) Though I see there is talk of them re-introducing the Home Championship Smart move - they need someone to finish of the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) Can you substantiate this using an independent source? My understanding is that schools in places like Jenin are mostly run by UNRWA, are you saying that they operate in the manner you describe? From the UNRWA: ==+== The Palestine refugee (...) (22 years ago, 18-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (snip) (...) Interestingly, UNRWA ran an ad in my paper today: (URL) A (snip) (...) (snip) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Conflict in the Middle East —Fredrik Glöckner
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| | | | (...) The situation is indeed very complicated. So I don't understand why you present views which are, in my opinion, very simplified and black-and-white. Fredrik (22 years ago, 6-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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