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| | | (...) I'm not speaking for Larry here, but some Libertarians agree that the government is big and needs to be scaled back, but don't believe that the original concept of our government is without flaw. I would be gladdened by what you suggest, but (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | Chris, (...) I would disagree with your definition of democracy in terms of minorities being pushed around, but I think that everyone should be treated the same in terms of law, etc. I don't think anyone deserves special treatment for anything. OK, (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) In what way do you disagree with my take on democracy? It's the rule of the people - by vote - so as long as 51% of the people who vote think it's OK to kill me, then politically (if not morally) it is. Right? Wrong? Libertopia would be an (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | An unlimited democracy with no bounds as to what the majority can decide is indeed flawed. Further, it's unworkable beyond a certain size, and leads to factionalism. A constitutionally limited representative or republican democracy is much better. (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think environmental protection and animal "rights" are harder than defense to privatize. In fact, I think defense is relatively easy. Probably easier than roads. (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | | | (...) In one sense, yes. In another, hell no. Defense _cannot_ be privatised, _especially_ not in Liberdystopia. The then-privatised DoD would not only no longer be under direct government control, but it would have to compete with others. I for one (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | | | | (...) Microsoft called. They want to know where to submit their proposal for MS-DoD. Steve "I'd go Canada if Bill G. got control" Bliss (25 years ago, 25-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | (...) It's a simplified definition, I think you are talking about direct democracy, I was talking more of a constitutional democracy, where the people have certain rights (a.k.a. Bill of Rights) and protection from being murdered and so forth. A (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) It's unfortunate that the labels have become so skewed. I am a liberal because I believe in liberty. I am not a conservative because I think the present system needs to be changed. Yet if I claim to be liberal it means I support income (...) (25 years ago, 16-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | | | To all (Larry & Chris and others); Ugh. Let me see if I can clear up what appears to be people's confusion about me. (...) In today's terms, yes. I think the system needs to be changed, and I don't support income transfer. (...) I would say I am (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Simon Robinson
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I'd go along with that. I'm not too happy with the idea of positive discrimination. Occasionally it can bring about benefits if it's applied for a limited period of time - eg. in order to make sure that there are enough members of some group (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | Scott: The fact that you and I have to explain what we mean by L and C merely proves the point (which we are in violent agreement on, by the way) that definitions have been skewed all out of recognizability. I have only inconsequentially minor (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) Like David Koresh? (...) I think that Mob Rule is where we are now...oh yeah, that is a representative democracy. (...) Fetal testing or murder? Both, I guess. (...) I do not support those things either. But here's how I view the words (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm totally lost. Could you clarify, Chris? (I should have gotten more sleep last night!) (...) Isn't a mob rule like 500 people outside a building, for example, demanding a hanging? (...) Most corporations and government agencies do illegal (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) You were assuring me that this wonderful democracy works to protect the lives of the citizens, I think. You said "I was talking more of a constitutional democracy, where the people have certain rights (a.k.a. Bill of Rights) and protection (...) (25 years ago, 19-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) So, something is better than nothing. Yes, but I'm having a tough time figuring a scenario where no hetereo couples would be available. (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | <37936594.15C0AA85@c...souri.edu> <379414EC.A40DFA0F@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Well, I know there are a bunch of kids being raised as wards of the state instead of with loving (...) (25 years ago, 20-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Steve Bliss
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| | | | | (...) Republican == Democrat Don't ever forget that. "A difference which makes no difference is no difference." Steve (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Scott Edward Sanburn
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| | | | | | Amen. You don't have to guess to hard, I am different. Scott Sanburn (...) (25 years ago, 15-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) So what do you want? Total anarchy? That's minorities pushing majorities around again. Being pushed around is a natural state of being for humankind. Maybe one day we'll grow out of it, but it'll be another few centuries at the _very_ least. (...) (25 years ago, 22-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | Jasper Janssen wrote: <someone else said democracy is the majority pushing minorities around> (...) Oh, I get it. The choices according to you are: - the majority thumps the minority over the head with a stick - everyone with a stick tries to thump (...) (25 years ago, 24-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —John Neal
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| | | | | Larry Pieniazek wrote: 1 - reminds me of an old joke. (...) I'll bite. -John (25 years ago, 25-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Q: "What's the difference between Communism and Fascism?" A: "Under Fascism, Man exploits Man. Under Communism, it's the other way round." (25 years ago, 25-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | | | (...) And under Capitalism it's the first way round again. Jasper (25 years ago, 26-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | (...) Larry, As a father, how do you avoid the use of force? (pushing kids around) (25 years ago, 26-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Government's role [Was: Re: What happened?] —Jasper Janssen
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| | | | (...) So call me a pessimist. (...) Ad hominem? Sorry, but "Libertopia (might equal) dystopia (as easily as) utopia" is hardly an ad hominem. It is directed at the word, not the man. Anyway, that aside.. I haven't yet seen you, or any other (...) (25 years ago, 26-Jul-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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