To LUGNET HomepageTo LUGNET News HomepageTo LUGNET Guide Homepage
 Help on Searching
 
Post new message to lugnet.off-topic.debateOpen lugnet.off-topic.debate in your NNTP NewsreaderTo LUGNET News Traffic PageSign In (Members)
 Off-Topic / Debate / 12544
12543  |  12545
Subject: 
Re: Plane crash in New York?
Newsgroups: 
lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate
Date: 
Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:54:00 GMT
Viewed: 
30 times
  
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Walsh writes:

"Eric Kingsley" <kingsley@nelug.org> wrote in message
news:GJK1F4.7tD@lugnet.com...
In lugnet.general, Jeff Findley writes:
In lugnet.general, Tore Eriksson writes:


[ ... snipped ... ]

What is the most appropriate way to deal with terrorists in order to • prevent
further acts of violence against innocent civilians?

Make no mistake, this is war.  The only way to deal with terrorists is • with
terror.  That may seem harsh but if we want to do something against • terrorism
it must be done in a cold, calculated, and completely thourough way.

Also with this being war we have to accept the fact that when we attack • the
terrorists they will fight back.  That means more civilians will probably • die.
That said, if we do nothing mosre civilians will die anyway.

I personally don't want my son growing up with this, if it means all out • war to
protect us from this sort of thing than so be it.  I will also say that if • you
put one of the people involved with this in a room alone with me only one • of us
would come out alive.

I would not have said things like this 2 days ago but today I feel like • the US
is at war.  I am ready for war and I hope the rest of you can be ready for • it
too because this won't be a short war.  This won't go away anytime soon • and it
may get worse before it gets better.


Eric Kingsley

Unfortunately the events that took place yesterday will put the US in a what
is essentially a no-win situation.  No matter what the US government decides
to do, someone will take issue with it.  The US government can not let the
court of public opinion (e.g. the media, foreign governments, US citizens,
etc.) direct or effect decisions that need to be made that are truly in the
best interest of the US.

It is unlikely that the people who initiated the terrorist acts can be dealt
with reasonably.  IMHO there is no point in even trying.  If they were
reasonable people they never would have done what they did.  These are not
nice people and this is not a nice guy contest.  The US should act
accordingly.

Mike


If the USA acts with the brutality that many seem to expect/want more
martyrs will be created and the events of yesterday may well be repeated at
some point in the future by those who follow. Only tackling the apparent
philosophical legitimacy these people have can really help in the long run.
I for one want justice to be served. But I want it to be in a manner which
ensures events such as these never happen again.

What is the point of committing murderous revenge when it only fuels the fire?

Scott A


--
Mike Walsh - mike_walsh at mindspring dot com
http://www.nclug.net - North Carolina LEGO Users Group
http://www.nclug.net/ctb - Carolina Train Builders
http://www.brickbay.com/store.asp?u=mpw - Brick Depot



Message has 4 Replies:
  Re: Plane crash in New York?
 
In lugnet.general, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) This is great but how do you suggest we "tackle the philosophical legitimacy" of whomever did this? And how do you suggest we ensure that events such as these never happen again without all out (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Plane crash in New York?
 
(...) This assumes that some will be allowed to "follow." (...) I agree to a point. If you're willing to rule out mass murder as an option, then you are spot on. Your whole point about disconnecting religion (religion shared by many) from these (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Plane crash in New York?
 
In lugnet.general, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) A reasonable person would have to ask, how would this question had been perceived if it had been directed to whoever perpetrated yesterdays events before they happened. Either they were commiting (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Plane crash in New York?
 
TAKE THIS OUT OF .GENERAL! PLEASE! if you want to snarl at each other, do it in .debate where it belongs Kevin ---...--- Craftsman Lego Kits & Custom models: (URL) Lego parts store: (URL) Lego auctions: (URL) Guild of Bricksmiths: (URL) Lego Web (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Message is in Reply To:
  Re: Plane crash in New York?
 
"Eric Kingsley" <kingsley@nelug.org> wrote in message news:GJK1F4.7tD@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) prevent (...) with (...) terrorism (...) the (...) die. (...) war to (...) you (...) of us (...) the US (...) it (...) and it (...) (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

23 Messages in This Thread:







Entire Thread on One Page:
Nested:  All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:  All | Brief | Compact

This Message and its Replies on One Page:
Nested:  All | Brief | Compact | Dots
Linear:  All | Brief | Compact
    

Custom Search

©2005 LUGNET. All rights reserved. - hosted by steinbruch.info GbR