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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal repeats himself: (...) No, your point is that someone ASSERTS that everything everyone can imagine is plowed ground. Not everything actually is, John. That person is wrong. There are wonders still to discover, (...) (24 years ago, 3-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: About "Plowed Territory" - Outcomes
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(...) Since we have already concluded everything as plowed ground, and the major participants concede that neither can persuade the other, I propose moving passed plowed ground to the crop yielded by the ground. Assuming that atheism were "the" (...) (24 years ago, 3-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Libertarian debate in danger of pollution (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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(...) AMEN! ;^) (24 years ago, 3-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It could have been two words for all you read. Do you have any idea why I cited it? (...) Mighty white of....forget it, plowed ground;-) (...) At the risk (hope;) of annoying you further, I'll recite the absolute pertinent part of the (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Had to stick that in there, eh? For what reason would you give that the existence of God is implausible? (...) Fair enough. But if I'm asking you to consider something which by definition can't be scrutinized by the scientific method, and you (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes: <snip a long winded Bible cite... it's not enough that we're getting passages repeated that we could go follow a ref to, now they're getting LONGER> When the Son of God appears here, as a LUGNet member, (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pardon? Isn't the fact that man is willing to redistribute his wealth a truism since we see that it happens in every nation every day? But aside from that, how is Libertopia dependant on that willingness any more than any economy? (...) I (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave! already answered this quite well (thanks, Dave!) but I want to elaborate/restate a bit in hopes that if the christians understand this point they will cease and desist in their hijacking of every topic that comes along. Let us be clear (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh. That makes sense, then. I thought you were directing it just at me, but I see what you mean. (...) Absolutely (which I almost spelled "absoulutlely" which would have been a cool pun). That's what I've maintained all along, that science has (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry, I didn't mean you specifically; I was querying the atheists in the crowd who do this:-) (...) Then you agree that it is inconsistent to do this? (...) Ah, but who does? (...) Really? But at least they are credible witnesses in the eyes (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What constitutes a decent doctor? Why couldn't one just figure out if they knew what they were talking about? What is "trial-and-error" about looking up the Consumer Reports article on the local state of medecine? And most of all, beyond (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm answering based on what I think is right and wrong, and how Christopia (not Libertopia) would be. I suspect that many Libertarians agree. (Though I disagree with some of what Bruce and Scott said.) (...) Absolutely. (...) I waver on this issue. (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tough proof I agree. (...) I agree. It is better to presuppose that we are acting freely. (...) Stop right there. God isn't "testing" us. God created us and gave us life to do with it what we will. (...) Well, other than the fact that God is (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And even if you do like it, what gives you the right to foist it off on your fellow? If you want your life out on public display, that's fine. But why force my life to follow along? Now, my stance that that government should stay the heck out (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | About "Plowed Territory"
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(RSV, from (URL) ) Ecclesiastes 1 The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher, vanity of vanities! All is vanity. What does man gain by all the toil at which he toils under the sun? A (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which atheists are you referring to? Certainly not me, since I've never demanded any proof of God's existence. I *have* demanded proof of miracles such as prophecies, because these are terrestrial in effect, and therefore part of the natural (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then WHY do atheists and agnostics try and hold religion up to the scientific method? Seems to me you can't have your cosmic cake and eat it too. Anyone stating that they need some sort of proof or evidence that God exists is inconsistent, (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Missed a point... (...) Frank Filz. But that was a while back. (assuming you meant "converts"... you're not *supposed* to see "coverts", that's why they're covert. Me, I think Scott Arthur is secretly a LP member and doesn't want to admit it. :-) (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, there's not a lot of unplowed ground 'round these parts to be seen of late, is there? (1) And with debate hijacking going on all over the place, when we find some new nuance, it doesn't take long before it gets turned into some sort of (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How do you define the haves and have nots? My father is the first generation of college educated people in his line and my mother is the second. They grew up lower middle class. (My grandparents were: an electrician, a secretary, an elementary (...) (24 years ago, 2-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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