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(...) Ah, yes. Dr. Rice's famous "smoking gun mushroom cloud" argument. Sorry, but that's not sufficient. Hussein did not have and was not actively seeking a nuclear weapons program, so any argument based on that premise is invalid. It may be the (...) (18 years ago, 26-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If that's true, then the appropriate course of action must be to err on the side of preserving liberty. Instead, in the fear-soaked aftermath of 9/11, we saw the Congress tripping over itself in its abdicate its Constitutional responsibility, (...) (18 years ago, 26-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Look at it as an investment in future security. Calculate the cost of a nucular (sic) detonation on one of our cities. (...) I don't think that the troops have a problem with this, so why on earth do the dems and the left have one? (...) We (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Democrats aren't, with a few noted exceptions, calling for immediate withdrawal, so your question is misleading. Still, the benefits of departure would be many: among them, we'd stop wasting billions of dollars each month; we'd get our troops (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't see an upside of leaving at this time, but I see a big downside. What's the rush? I think it is driven more by hatred for President Bush than it is for a desire for the overall security of the US. Because the war is a policy of (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You forget that everyone bit on the bait, including the UN. (...) Of course it is. Not exclusively. But it most certainly is a front. (...) Does it matter where the front is? The terrorists are a part of no particular nation. We must fight (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) The game is the 'bait 'n switch' done by George and anyone who follows him. The 'War on Terror' isn't in Iraq, though. At least, it wasn't until George invaded. The varying ideals for the war (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which would you prefer: a near-total media blackout on the real impact of the Iraq war on its innocent civilians and our soldiers, or honest and thorough reporting of the state of the war? Me, I'd prefer the latter, and it's a shame that we (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm saying that the MSM objects to Bush's handling of the war, so that is the opinion of the GP. Don't you think people would have a better view of the war if the MSM portrayed it in a better light? Seriously, I honestly believe that the media (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yup. (...) Yes. And why I think Specter was being obtuse. (...) And not nearly enough "John's":-) JOHN (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, that explains the chickenhawks and diehards, but the overwhelming majority of Americans object to Bush's handling of the war, so you're essentially saying that Republicans are fundamentally out of touch with their electorate. (...) Well, (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Resolve for the war is sacred. Don't underestimate the passion for this issue. All others pale in comparison. (...) Not on THIS issue. As far as silly goes; come'on, what is the point of "non-binding" resolutions? Let the Dems stop playing (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The ostensible goal of Al Quadea is to create an international Islamic State by force. Since this would involve overturning the policies of nations and the acts of terror are (ostensibly) designed to create a situation in which this can happen (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) OK. I think that manner of pronunciation is more accurately attributed to some like Jimmy Carter. President Bush's famous mispronounciation is, of course, "nuclear":-) (...) (URL) Here's> another perspective. (...) Not at all. If we had info (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why is it silly, in your view? And what does it say about Republicans in general that they're willing to oust someone who expresses an opinion that didn't come from the party's marching orders? Lately Repubs have claimed to have a larger tent (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hard to say, honestly. I've been giving this some more thought, and it seems to me that a necessary component of rebellion is a desire to break from the targeted nation (or break from some or all of its policies) without necessarily requiring (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If Hagel votes "yay" for this silly and pointless non-binding resolution, republicans will throw him under the bus, gahr-un-teed. And that goes for ANY senator with an R after their name. Even HE knows it, as evidenced by his own questioning (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. So much for .debate! :-D Tim (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) My sediments exactly;-) JOHN (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah. Most (if not all) of the Tube bombers and failed tube bombers were UK citizens. Many of them were even born here. I'd personally count that as rebellion. Tim (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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