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Re: Where's Larry and Hoppy when you need 'em???
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Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:23:18 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy Gould wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Timothy P. Smith wrote:
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The 9/11 guys weren’t US citizens (I think one or two were). But hasn’t the
UK had trouble with terrorism by citizens? (not the Ireland troubles, but
the 21st century kind).
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Yeah. Most (if not all) of the Tube bombers and failed tube bombers were UK
citizens. Many of them were even born here. I’d personally count that as
rebellion.
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Hard to say, honestly. I’ve been giving this some more thought, and it seems to
me that a necessary component of rebellion is a desire to break from the
targeted nation (or break from some or all of its policies) without necessarily
requiring the destruction of that nation (though that might conceivably occur in
the aftermath). The American Revolutionary War was a rebellion in that it
sought a break from the British, but didn’t seek to wreck Britain altogether.
Further, an attack upon a symbol of/proxy for a country (such as the Statue of
Liberty or a Federal building or, frankly, the WTC) doesn’t, in itself, qualify
as a rebellion unless a stated aim of the attacker is to break from the country.
That is, an attack may be an attempt to injure the national identity in order to
express anger at the policies or practices of that country.
Also, I think it needs to be stated that citizenship alone isn’t sufficient to
qualify an attack as a rebellion; if someone becomes a citizen and soon
thereafter launches an attack, then that person’s motivation in becoming a
citizen must be questioned. But for a native born or long-time citizen, then
the issue becomes rather more murky.
Heck, the whole thing is murky anyway.
And it really needs to be said that there are too many Daves and Tims in
this discussion.
Dave!
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| (...) The ostensible goal of Al Quadea is to create an international Islamic State by force. Since this would involve overturning the policies of nations and the acts of terror are (ostensibly) designed to create a situation in which this can happen (...) (18 years ago, 25-Jan-07, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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