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(...) Yup. Faith without works is like a day without a bicycle. Or is that a woman without a man is like a fish without sunshine.... Something like that:-) (...) That's fine and good, but there's one caveat, and Jesus addresses this issue DIRECTLY (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) So you're a James disiple--"faith without works" and all that? I'm pretty much there except I say "In the end, I believe that we'll be judged on what we did" and leave the beliefs out of it, (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Phew, I was getting the shakes in there! ;-) I'm wondering if it's as simple as simply stating, "life begins at heartbeat". Completely arbitrary, but not without a poignant touch, considering that the heart is a powerful symbol for humanity (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is almost beyond belief. But then, on the oppsite end, there's the 'morning after' pill that is causing a furor because the republicans want to make it a perscription drug (or have already done so--can't remember)--they're meddling in the (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No questions? Some have decided that (URL) post birth abortions> are fine. Again, I am not comfortable with someone deciding to abort a baby that is literally seconds from birth, much less X minutes after! It's almost beyond belief. So it (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And, naturally, that may be the hardest agreement to reach! (...) A fair question. If a fetus is removed from its mother at 20 weeks and spends another 20 weeks in an artificial uterus until birth, then that's just substituting one womb for (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Remember that Tootsie Pop® commercial where the "scientist" is doing the experiment to finally find out how many licks does it take to reach the center of the Tootsie Pop sucker? "One, two, thareee, <crunch>...." "Three." As for our story and (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, if you accept the premise that the baby in utero (thanks for the clarification above) is a person, then certainly the State has the obligation to protect that person's rights (namely, to live). So, by comparison, if a mother tires of her (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) See, I'm kinda with Dave! on this one--if it's a black and white issue--i.e. the second the sperm touches the egg it's LIFE! then there would be no issue. But people haven't been able to come to a consensus for, well, ever yet as to when life (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then again, maybe it (URL) was thrown out.> Personally, I thought that the whole undertaking was a waste of time. Good riddance to some pointless litigation. Dave! (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The question becomes "why must the rights of the embryo or fetus supersede the rights of the woman?" I've never heard a compelling answer to that question. (...) It has been helpful for me, in discussions like this, to add the term "viable" to (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, it definitely affects the baby, and if that baby is considered a person, then the State has the obligation to protect the rights of that person. (...) Yes. Here are 2 extreme examples that I believe negate any position that is completely (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I will never put a woman in a position where she'll have to wrestle with the decision to have an abortion. I believe the baby in the womb is a living entity--at what point doesn't really matter to the 'big conversation'--if I 'knock someone (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nothing funny about it, and I wasn't recommending it, I was just tracing a line from the past into the future, answering the question about how you solve this problem. (...) Yes yes, no fools these Iranians. Is there some reason you think that (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can feeel the loove! Quick, on to abortion:-) JOHN (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Right (see, I told you:-) I was trying to find the actual column in which she says this but it was too old for my cursory search (pun intended--ALWAYS!). But from your link, she flat-out states, "That's just a joke, for you in the media." You (...) (19 years ago, 10-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And if so, so what? Isn't anyone's right to make "a fuss"? Unless of course by fuss you mean burn and murder.... The interesting question now is for countries who have freedom of speech (such as Germany), but yet have laws making it illegal to (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Would ther have been a response if there were anti-jewish cartoons published? More than likely. And the response would have happened when the cartoons came out back in September, instead of sitting on it whilst shipping danish flags to the (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Mr Tolerant, Just imagine the fuss in the west if the same paper had printed anti-jewish material... Scott A (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually, she talked about (URL) Justice John Paul Stevens>, who is far to the Left of Scalia and Coulter. (...) Care to rework that, since it was Stevens instead of Scalia? (...) Well, I'll give you that one. I don't think he's all that (...) (19 years ago, 9-Feb-06, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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