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(...) Yes. Without getting into it too deeply, I'd say that the Gospels are the most important part of the Bible, for they contain God's final revelation and interpretation of the Bible (talking OT here). (...) Certainly forgiveness, but (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This statement is misleading. Most Christians associate Jesus' resurrection with the word "Easter". Obviously, the celebration of the resurrection of Jesus was never a pagan holiday, although the celebration of the feast to Astre was. They are (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This explains a lot. (...) I am not seeing the intolerance directed at the religious members of our community. Maybe if you were Jewish or Muslim. That thing about Mormon persecution so many years ago is starting to grow mold on it... I'd just (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<snip> (...) So basically what you are saying here is that some portions of the Bible are more important that other portions? Why? I was brought up to believe that the bible as a whole is important and that everything inside the covers are related. (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh, well, that's a little extreme :) I'd probably argue that while not "ordained by God", Christmas and Easter are still Christian celebrations; not worshipping any differently than allowed to by the Bible-- unless there's something in there (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes: (...) Easter and Xmas are both originally pagan holidays. You might as well be worhshipping some ancient fire god like some of the peoples mentioned in the OT (at one point Abraham, prior to (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here is what I do not understand, the church is not "forcing" them to do anything, this guy was problably born into the Catholic church, but since young adulthood he has had the choice to remain or not. What I truely don't understand is why he (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: (snip) (...) Easter, not scriptural? I do remember being in Religion classes back in school and be told that it was *the* most important Christian celebration! (...) I dunno that much about the old (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Easter isn't scriptual, nor, btw, is Christmas. The Lord's supper is, though. And yet all three of these are pretty much the cornerstone of today's church. Divine revelation by the Holy Spirit? Is there a book in the Bible that says that (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) le krakhed (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Through what they believe to be the relevation of the Scriptures to them by the Holy Spirit. (...) Now you are the one who is quick to judge. There isn't any Church I'm aware that says that divorce is "fine". They may recognize it as a (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And how does the church come to making such decisions? What process does the church use to come to the conclusion that this over here can be sanctioned, but that over there cannot? (...) So the Catholic church is obeying the "letter" of the (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They can do whatever they want. It's just that the Church doesn't sanction it. (...) Read Matthew 19:3-12 (...) Shoot the messenger, uh? If it is too intolerable for him to be a Catholic and abide by its teachings, he should be honest and (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Too often calling people "anti-American" is just a way for the intellectually lazy to counter critics. It's much easier than [say] justifying some aspects of the war on terrorism or why WOMD have not been found yet. That fact that some of the (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely! Let's get out the rocks! Don't worry about hte men who commit the 'adultry' with them, for men shouldn't be held responsible for their transgressions. And women should be seen and not heard! And don't touch the skin of a pig, or (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. Does the bible not say that females who commit adultery should be stoned? Scott A (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) can 'look down' on the French or (insert your 'picked-on' country of choice--Italy has had a few jokes at its expense) for decades, but woe unto us who find the arrogance of the US contemptable. Did, and does the US still contribute a whole (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And why is that? Why should the "church" tell two people, who want to live in the institution of marriage, that they can't just because those two folks are of the same sex? Where in the teachings of Jesus does it say, "Marriage is good for (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may be right. It amounts to something like this: I don't judge others by my own possibly limited notion of what is right and wrong for me as being right and wrong for them; unless they are dragging me down with them, then my hand is forced (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry to burst yours, but they aren't married (by the Catholic church). (...) What's this "world" stuff? We are talking about marriage in the Christian context. I don't know what you are talking about. (...) It seems to me that you don't know (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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