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(...) In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes: (...) Easter and Xmas are both originally pagan holidays. You might as well be worhshipping some ancient fire god like some of the peoples mentioned in the OT (at one point Abraham, prior to (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Sex Scandal: U.S. President had sex with Intern!
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(...) Here is what I do not understand, the church is not "forcing" them to do anything, this guy was problably born into the Catholic church, but since young adulthood he has had the choice to remain or not. What I truely don't understand is why he (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: (snip) (...) Easter, not scriptural? I do remember being in Religion classes back in school and be told that it was *the* most important Christian celebration! (...) I dunno that much about the old (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Sex Scandal: U.S. President had sex with Intern!
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(...) Easter isn't scriptual, nor, btw, is Christmas. The Lord's supper is, though. And yet all three of these are pretty much the cornerstone of today's church. Divine revelation by the Holy Spirit? Is there a book in the Bible that says that (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) le krakhed (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | Re: Sex Scandal: U.S. President had sex with Intern!
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(...) Through what they believe to be the relevation of the Scriptures to them by the Holy Spirit. (...) Now you are the one who is quick to judge. There isn't any Church I'm aware that says that divorce is "fine". They may recognize it as a (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And how does the church come to making such decisions? What process does the church use to come to the conclusion that this over here can be sanctioned, but that over there cannot? (...) So the Catholic church is obeying the "letter" of the (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) They can do whatever they want. It's just that the Church doesn't sanction it. (...) Read Matthew 19:3-12 (...) Shoot the messenger, uh? If it is too intolerable for him to be a Catholic and abide by its teachings, he should be honest and (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Kissing heinie at its finest
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(...) Too often calling people "anti-American" is just a way for the intellectually lazy to counter critics. It's much easier than [say] justifying some aspects of the war on terrorism or why WOMD have not been found yet. That fact that some of the (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely! Let's get out the rocks! Don't worry about hte men who commit the 'adultry' with them, for men shouldn't be held responsible for their transgressions. And women should be seen and not heard! And don't touch the skin of a pig, or (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. Does the bible not say that females who commit adultery should be stoned? Scott A (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) can 'look down' on the French or (insert your 'picked-on' country of choice--Italy has had a few jokes at its expense) for decades, but woe unto us who find the arrogance of the US contemptable. Did, and does the US still contribute a whole (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And why is that? Why should the "church" tell two people, who want to live in the institution of marriage, that they can't just because those two folks are of the same sex? Where in the teachings of Jesus does it say, "Marriage is good for (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may be right. It amounts to something like this: I don't judge others by my own possibly limited notion of what is right and wrong for me as being right and wrong for them; unless they are dragging me down with them, then my hand is forced (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry to burst yours, but they aren't married (by the Catholic church). (...) What's this "world" stuff? We are talking about marriage in the Christian context. I don't know what you are talking about. (...) It seems to me that you don't know (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sorry to burst your bubble, John; but I know gay men that attend a Catholic church regularly. Again, the world is not limited to the flavors you would impose upon it. Indeed, the world doesn't care about the restrictions you would place upon it. It (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) From the beginning? Do you suppose she would have married him in the first place knowing that he would cheat on her in the future? I doubt it. (...) That may be so, but we are discussing in the context of marriage, and a Christian marriage at (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You bring up exceptions, which are not to what I was referring. Speaking about the Clintons, I am sure that they got married in a Christian church and exchanged wedding vows (if I am wrong in this assumption, then I retract my condemnation). (...) (21 years ago, 13-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What if, in a person's chosen ideology, the fact that someone has relations with others are not their spouse is not only acceptible but welcomed, would they then be the disgusting pig that you referred to? What if the same person didn't choose (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's where you have to consider what things mean and weigh your estimate of people's intelligence and character. Do you think Hilary Clinton is an idiot that didn't know her husband had a long string of affairs with other women? Or is it (...) (21 years ago, 12-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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