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(...) I'm definitely on the same page with that--take the land away from both parties. Like a parent taking a toy away from two fighting kids until they both act more mature. As for the pregnant men--ouch!--Arnold in 'Junior' Dave (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) only relocation by their own choice - AFAIK, Israel never forced anyone to leave their houses in '48 (or '67), the people who left did so from their own free will. Fearing Israel will do to them what the Arab countries would have done to the (...) (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is the part that messes me up, though; aren't there quite a few people now living in that region who were personally subject to relocation? If so, then they would seem to have a legitimate grievance. (...) Well, sure--I agree that (...) (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well I like(1) the solution offered in _The Fresco_ (by Sheri S. Tepper, an SF author who really has grown on me lately, she's worth some careful reading) In that novel the aliens, after observing the situation, ejected everyone from old (...) (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One difference is that you haven't been warring with the same faction for the last 2000+ years. If, out of the blue, someone were to come knocking at your door and relocate your family, an injustice has just occured against you. If, on the (...) (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: Dave! (...) Its definitly okay to call youself American. I have as yet to meet a person in Canada who thinks differently. On our news, in our papers, we call you guys south of the 49th 'Americans'. (...) (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So I take it that if the ATF dropped by your place this afternoon and relocated your family to, I don't know, a desert in New Mexico, you'd just buck up and make the best of it? If not, then please explain the difference for me. Dave! (22 years ago, 26-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm American(1), and I don't like him either, but I'll likewise give him the benefit. However, a number of right-wing demagogues in the media *still* gripe about Clinton as if he's *still* busily destroying the entirety of the universe, but (...) (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) points out that knowing that *some* terrorist attack *may* happen *somewhere* and knowing that a bunch of insane moronic idiotic lower-than-life infidels hijacking planes with knives and such at 8 a.m. on Tuesday September 11, 2001 , are (...) (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Wow -- if that turns out to be true in the long-term I think I am feeling fairly outraged. Bush has done nothing but use the whole crisis to boost his popularity, and now it may be that he knew in advance. Shades of what Roosevelt knew about Pearl (...) (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: [snip] (...) [snip] (...) Well, at least with no journalists there, it's a chance the reports could possibly be accurate & unbiased. ROSCO (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What a fool I am to have waste my breath engaging in any conversation with you. It won't happen again. BBye. (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well.... I agreed with everything you said in the parts that I snipped away, but I guess maybe I should have dug up a Clinton era example alternate history. (22 years ago, 28-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:Gws7tC.8xt@lugnet.com... (...) security. (...) suck up (...) The 'security' move that puzzles me is not providing metal knives and forks with your inflight meal, but only plastic (...) (22 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For the record, I knew your position on this. Sorry if it seemed otherwise. I think we are very much on the same page on this, politically. Thought experiment-wise, and the pleasures hidden therein, we may be of different minds. Then again, (...) (22 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My guess would be that the possession of weapons by Palestinians in the occupied territories, is regulated by the Oslo accord. This agreement regulates a number of issues in the area, for example Israeli settlement construction and the mandate (...) (22 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think Richard and Chris answered most of your other points. (...) Well why did they not let the UN in? (...) Indeed it does. (...) Do you have proof of that, or is this your old view: Palestinians = terrorists. (...) It should be the press's aim (...) (22 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, we're not. I speak from experience when it comes to airport security. Talk about your window dressing? More hassle, more inconvenience, more delay, but no more actual security. Just a big shiny new agency to suck up tax dollars and (...) (22 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Only if you say so, Lar. "The scurrilous loss of freedom in the name of security, and other changes, and blindly support(ing) the Prez" would almost be worth it IF we were getting real value for those changes. That's a HUGE if, and it just (...) (22 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd prefer that Israel just issue the caveat that when they feel the need to shoot in a particular direction, they aren't going to hold their fire merely because members of the press are in the way. Then, the press members can make their own (...) (22 years ago, 27-May-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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