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(...) I have to question your evidence of such desire on the part of the people. Here in the Bay Area of California I often express myself as I see fit, I feel free and safe to do so. When I lived in a suburbs of Chicago I felt less free to discuss (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who can say why the offer was rejected? Arafat is a Grade A loser and the Palestinians should get rid of him. At the same time, I saw it as an act of bad faith on the part of the Israelis to vote Sharon into office considering the sort of (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Barak offer Arafat in one of the "agreements" a palestinian state in the west bank and gaza, including a capital in east Jerusalem? and was turned down, because Arafat wanted more? (...) well, I can see why (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doing the only thing they can? Strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up women, kids, houses and villages? Only thing they can?? I don't care what the world could throw at me, there will *never* come a time when I would feel justified to (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This makes it seem that you don't understand how we "fight terrorism" on stage and toss terrorists scraps under the table. Do you really believe all that one-sided Amerika is the land of goodness tripe? We are a political entity and we do evil (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So far I think we're all on the same page. (...) How has this been made apparent? This is not apparent to me. What is apparent to me is that they want territories that Israel stole in the 60s back and they aren't willing to compromise on it. (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was referring to PLO *terrorists*. (...) Never said that. What would Israel know of peace?? She has never been allowed to exist in peace! Yes, Israel *would like* to exist in peace, but for now, Israel would just like to exist, period. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, Your whole thesis appears to be: 1) Arabs/Palestinians are uncivilised troublemakers. 2) Israel is a peace loving nation. 3) There is an international anti-Israeli media conspiracy which distorts reality. However, to date, you have (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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IMHO, subject says it all. Most of the participants know this already, so a "wasted breath alert" is in itself wasted breath, I guess. I don't see a lot of movement happening. Remember who you're dealing with, everyone. All parties already know how (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What Sharon did *ALMOST 50 YEARS AGO* was wrong-- Israel itself is not proud of some of those early day policies. But that was a long, long, time ago. Times have changed, and so has Israel's policies. Citing events that occured almost a half (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Arabs have been the dominant culture in “Palestine” for well over 1000 years (700ad?). However, as I understand it, that last Jewish kingdom in the M.E. ended in ~400-500BC - But I'm open to correction on that(!). Many cultures and (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that you can't always hold the people responsible to what the leaders do, but wouldn't you agree that sometimes when it's clear that the leader is doing what the people want, the people _should_ be held responsible? (...) nod... but (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I found that article pretty sketchy on facts I could agree readily agree with. The author of that article pointedly equates criticism of Israel with "Jew hatred" -- which to my mind is NOT the same thing at all. Hatred of a people for no reason is (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But yet, you refuse to condemn Israeli terrorism! Or even acknowledge the role of your own country in supporting terrorism. You claim all Palestinian’s are "PLO terrorists". You are unable to acknowledge the most simple of truths about Israel. (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ha, nice try. But you are too clever by half. There *is* no country "Palestine". Why not? But thank you for the invitation, but I care not to sympathize with homicidal terrorists, no matter what their plight. Terrorism is *wrong* and *evil*, (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who knows? I don't doubt that these views exist. I don't doubt that the there are those who have the same views on just about any race or religion. I don't doubt that the rather colourful metaphors used as part of some cultures make things (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good point! We should look with more sympathy on the actions of the Palestinians given their plight. Chris (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol sorry, guess I didn't parse that too well through space:-) (...) lol again, if it were that easy to shut down Scott, it would be employed *more* often>;-) There's no 'wiggle room', room for (...) I would certainly say that to a reasonable (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's another question to help reduce my ignorance: what's the source of the claims that I've heard again and again and again and again in the various media that the PLO in particular and vocal extremist groups in the Arab world in general (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was kinda going for a tongue-in-cheek thing there. It was a 'Hatred exists because of intolerance, you idiot!' thing--saying 'you idiot' expressing hatred and intolerance. You go on to say that what you should have sid in the first place, (...) (22 years ago, 23-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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