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  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
I see at the bottom you acknowledge that how IP works is a tough cookie, so please take the following questions not as criticism, but as ways to probe the workings of IP... (...) Is it really that dumb? In our current culture, I think that if the (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) Something to consider is that a low volume item will have a higher cost. Some cost factors for a CD: - how long does it sit on the stores shelf (anyone know what fraction of a penny it costs for a CD to sit on the shelf of a music store for a (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) Well, Lugnet is a gatekeeper. I expect the big music publishers to start to fade away. I see a future with middlemen with a smaller audience and focus. On the other hand, I also expect some large middlemen to emerge. I bet bars would much (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) I didn't so much mean between you and I as between the music industry and the rest of us. (...) Actually, I think you are still able to make the copy for the friend under the Fair Use doctrine, but I'd have to research it further. Cursory (...) (23 years ago, 9-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) Maybe he's broke. Maybe he likes it enough to check it out, but not enough to procure a copy. Maybe it would be useful, but not useful enough to pay the asking price. Incidentally, I once searched for a way to pay a shareware producer ~$20 (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) Ding! I got it! In my broad-sighted way I was thinking only of the problems of the original copy, rather than the fair-use backups. (...) No, but I sometimes spin a CD on my finger and shine a laser pointer on it for the economical way to (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) I agree it's limiting their own sales more than anything else, but much as I dislike the idea, I think they have the right to distribute DVDs as they see fit. Of course with so many non-region DVD players still available, it's a pretty (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) Note also that such CDs won't play in many "ordinary" CD players either. ROSCO (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) Like DVD region issues? Yikes! Talk about shooting themselves in the foot... I go with the book license as suggested by Frank -- I own a copy of a thing, how I use it is up to me. If I own the song on vinyl -- I can dupe it to CD or MP3. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) While I agree with you on the value of convergent media, I don't know that one's "right to listen to something on the hardware of [his] choosing" is really the crux of it. That is, you're welcome to listen to your Maurice Chevalier 78's on (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
More quibbling over the details... (...) I disagree with this view -- you are basically asserting that gatekeepers are not only here to stay but will somehow increase in their cultural value. The reality is that it takes a lot of work to discover to (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
Rather than try and respond to specific points, I'm going to try an lay out my thoughts. Richard and Christopher have raised some interesting issues. Clearly the ideal is that the creator of a work get fairly compensated. This suggests that the more (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism!
 
(...) Now I think I've seen one of the ads in question. It had different teenage-looking kids switching in and out, each one saying a line, then switching: -"I helped kill a father" -"It was just a bit of fun" -"I let a terrorist get a passport" -"I (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) Well, first off, if it's the same version of Pompeii that I have, then you have my sympathy for some really poor sound quality. If it's not, then you have my envy for a really cool disc. As I understand it (and of course I'm a board-certified (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) What if it's just a loan (like the library does)? What if I want him to check out this really cool live recording of Pink Floyd at Pompeii -- so I dupe it and give him the copy? My point being that his interest is minimal, but he'll give it a (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) If he wouldn't have purchased it a million years, then why would he want you to give a copy to him? If you're giving a copy to him because he wants it but wouldn't in a million years deign to purchase it, then it's theft. Same with books and (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism!
 
(...) In truth, it was my somewhat outrageous opposite reaction to what I still think is an outrageous claim made by those commercials. Someone in the whitehouse ought to either: a) get their head out of their ass (donky, that is), or b) be ashamed (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) How? If I give you a CD that I duped, that you would never in a million years have purchased, I don't see how it effects the profits of the music company that made the CD that I bought. It just doesn't! Same with books and software and (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Copyright/Fair use question
 
(...) I think you must mean: "A computer programmer who can afford to buy LEGO toys in spite of the fact that people give away software to all their friends because corporations have to pay for their copies." "What is" is that information is free. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Evolution again..
 
Just came upon this (URL) which discusses evidence of a possible mechanism for macroevolution. Interestingly, I recently read Greg Bear's novel "Darwin's Radio" which also talks about this, and there's some interesting stuff on his site (URL) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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