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  Re: Freedom vs. Wellfare
 
(...) Please don't move it to email, Horst. Your contributions have been extremely well thought out and useful and you are now getting to a point that I have been looking for a reasonable way to raise to hear Larry's 'total free market' view on. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Freedom vs. Wellfare
 
Hello Larry, hello everybody, (...) So the goods you need to be kept alive (in a decent way, I would add) are not rights? What value does the right to live have, then, if it is OK for others to just let me starve, without any fault on my side (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
Hello Larry, (...) No, you're trying to construct the contradiction, by requiring that the result of a regulation must be perfect. Requiring a license does improve safety (though not perfectly). True, it just sets a minimum standard [1]. This is at (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
(...) But who, then, decides what those rights should be. You? Me? Thinking over it, I would prefer the second ;-) :wq Horst (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
 
Hello, (...) Point missed. What I just say is this: Human interaction is complex, and it has been sufficiently proven that complex systems don't react to a single stimulus with a single, easily predictable response. In other words, simplistic (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
(...) But that's not what I meant. I was talking about the risk that fundamental rights will be violated, like when someone gets killed. And I do believe that driver's licenses, while they certainly cannot eliminate the risk, still do a good job of (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Something slightly lighter?
 
(...) That's...wow. I'm not sure if that's funny or not. I mean, the entire situation is bizarre, but I find it absolutely uproarious that in this exultation of an avowed enemy of the American way of life, one of *the* cultural icons of Western (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: PA censoring journalists again, but repudiating bin Laden...
 
(...) Here's a bit more. (URL) draw the conclusion that Powell may be overreacting a bit, and I tend to agree. (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Something slightly lighter?
 
Evil Bert?(1) (URL) Street has always stood for mutual respect and understanding," a spokeswoman said. "We’re outraged that our characters would be used in this unfortunate and distasteful manner. This is not at all humorous.The people responsible (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Forget "Dog Bites Man" or "Man Bites Dog"...
 
Found this in todays wire reports. Thought it was funny. Figured I'd share. So there. BTW, XPD to OTD 'cause it seems someone is always talking about animal rights or gun control or violence or the man bites dog argument...so you'd better look (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Violence created by presence of guns? (was: Gotta love Oracle...)
 
(...) Well...it ain't all that big of a trick to import the guns into Ontario from NY either...but, that _still_ doesn't make the crime rate with firearms in Ontario all that high in comparison to most major US areas. Look at a US city with a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
(...) anyway. I agree Larry. It was just a quip to go with the dig about M$ further down. Though M$ has had (at least temporarily) an effective monopoly on PC operating systems, it *was* only temporary, and was most likely aided along the way (at (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Nation building
 
I've been thinking about this a bit. Longtime readers know my distaste for the very term. Dubya doesn't like it either. But if you go back to some of the various stuff that has been posted... (Newt's bit. Stuff about what was done in conquered (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Justifying Barbarism? (was: More on Palestine)
 
(...) This made me think a bit about the question: Can barbaric acts (whether terrorism or not) be justified if a. The intended overall result[1] is positive (eg. save lives, reduce poverty), and b. The actual overall result is positive, even if (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
(...) With government assistance. Free market corporations can erect no such barriers. Not effective ones, anyway. QED (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
(...) ...or corporations... (...) Thats vi please. VI will generally result in sh: VI: not found or something similar. As will EMACS (except if you use some inferior operating system, sold by some corporate monopoly 8?) Oh, OK, you could create a (...) (23 years ago, 11-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gotta love Oracle...
 
(...) Or they can rent from a place which allows installation of satellite dishes. I see several in my apartment complex (and for some folks, they even seem to be easy to install, they're bolted to the folks 2nd floor deck railing). As Larry has (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: More on Palestine
 
(...) Wow, I don't think I would have ever expected to see something like this come out of Newt. With a slightly quick reading, I don't see anything in that which I disagree with. I think we are seeing the power of the US really coming out. We have (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
(...) Ah-- a good summary point I'd missed. Perhaps a "Plays Well" category in which Larry gets a rather low score. Each, actually, but perhaps moreso Larry as he's often been the one to bring issues like this into the limelight as actual topics of (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: ScottFroth(tm) answered
 
(...) I'd disagree on this one. I'd say his largest fault is his tendency to attack a person's stature rather than defend his position or respond to theirs. The title of this sub-thread is a case in point. He has done the same to others and me. (...) (23 years ago, 10-Oct-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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