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(...) They can espouse it, but can they call it Christianity if it doesn't seem to fit? It doesn't fit what I understand Christianity to be... I mean, isn't that kind of the same as the Red Army selling stock in their phone company and calling it (...) (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Jerry Falwell
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(...) Whoa, Dan and I are in complete agreement on something! How can that be? (23 years ago, 15-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Don't forget that this was done in His name. And since an evil deed was done in His name and he did not stop it, I cannot see how God can be kind and merciful in any way. Jeff (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The killing needs to stop.
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(...) Don't be silly. You are trying to extrapolate from something very personally immediate to something largely abstract. Of course, people have the right to protect themselves even by killing an assailant if need be. Plus in the scenario you are (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Then how can anyone say that God has been merciful. Mercy implies participation. If God isn't participating, then he couldn't have been merciful. (...) What does that have to do with anything I've talked about? I thought the discussion was (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Geordan, you talk about all this 'mercy' but as far I as I know there have been 5 survivors found and still about 5000 missing or dead. Would you call that mercy? I won't. And the plane 'missing' the white house to hit the Pentagon and kill about (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Everything has a purpose, whether we see that purpose in a few days, a year, ten years, or even a century, God has a reason for everything. The reason could be very suttle, it could be realised by only a few people, or there could be a number of (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) Who would accuse God or anyone of being too controlling if what happened could have been prevented? And who would say God is controlling in anyway now? You said yourself that bad men do bad things and some people enjoy doing bad things, god (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) A lot has been picked over in terms of the rhetoric of peace, so fine...Does the euphemism "collateral damage" mean human lives? How can you be so callous? Aren't we in hell already? (...) What does "historically theirs" mean? I'd like an (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) No cop-outs. The question is not, "How can you believe in God?", but, "How can you believe in man?!" God didn't do this, man did. I like how people expect God to intervene in self serving ways but they don't want Him to interfere with their (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) True; I can't say specifically why this happened. Perhaps, instead, I could offer the "evil is a mystery" cop-out? Perhaps He let this happen to shock us out of complacency. America is used to living securely and safely; contented people are (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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Mark, I'm glad you spoke up, because I was beginning to think I might be the only one who thought this way. Although I can't speak for Mr. Sandlin, I have the same feelings as Mark wrote about, and I am an atheist. I am an archaeologist and one of (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: The killing needs to stop.
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(...) Let me say this before I delve into responding point by point below: Ideally, I agree with the sentiments below. They reflect the Christian principles that I hold dear and believe will someday be realized when Christ returns - but not before (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Response to Misinformation (Some other perspectives on the tragedy)
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(...) I don't think anyone is saying we should kill innocents. Official statements refer to "those responsible". However, regrettably some collateral damage is unavoidable. As a side note: when did this notion of "killing the innocent" in war arise? (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: We don't live in America, America lives in US!
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I'll play at Solomon here, Dan. Can we divide the baby and each of you take half and be happy? Jerusalem I would give to the U.N. or some other multi-nation organization ad infinitum -- that everyone may visit there in peace. I'm SO tired of the (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) It is amazing that the towers didn't collapse right away, and things could have certainly been much worse. As an engineer, I'll be interested in future reports that will discuss modes of failure. Typically, building design adheres strictly to (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Jerry Falwell
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(...) How can something with so many sects be misrepresented? I mean, in fairness, aren't Jerry and his followers allowed to espouse whatever interpretation of quasi-fundamentalist Xtianity they wish? -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Jerry Falwell has more in common with the Taliban than you think
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In fact, the bombing is all about our commitment to secular values. It is our secular values--love of pleasure, self-reliance, reason, material wealth, technology, freedom, capitalism--that mark the fundamental difference in philosophy between our (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Another Measured Response (was re: Jerry Falwell blames feminists, gays, lesbians, ACLU, others...)
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OMG, what an a*****e!!! Great, just what we need -- another religious zealot! No Jerry, I place the blame at the doorstep of anyone who tries to create difference, and promote intolerance and xenophobia. Such people need to be helped with education, (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Jerry Falwell
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(...) Whoa! Dan and I are in complete agreement on something! Falwell and his fellow reactionary Robertson are both well-established loonies. Dave! (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | A Measured Response (was re: LP statement on terrorist attacks)
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Hey: I'll give the LP statement this much (and beyond this I just don't care what else they said) -- it suggests a course of action that is a hell of a lot more reasonable than what many here have been offering up of late. It suggests we make a very (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Jerry Falwell
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Jerry Falwell is one of the biggest loads on two feet, I'm not surprised by anything that ignoramous says. He's no moral or spiritual leader, just another slimeball misrepresenting Christianity. Dan (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) Designed my great architects,engineers(many who are AFOL's) and BUILT by skilled tradesmen/women. (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Jerry Falwell blames feminists, gays, lesbians, ACLU, others...
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These are very hateful sttements by someone so many people look up to for prayer. In my opinion, he is no worse than other hateful extremests. -- On the broadcast of the Christian television program "The 700 Club," Falwell made the following (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: We don't live in America, America lives in US!
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Shalom, Shiri. Your friend is indeed very smart and I commend her for expressing such heartfelt and inspiring thoughts. I won't rehash my feelings regarding Israel, but in response to your friend's comment about some Jewish woman saying "We might (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Mercy? (Was Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer)
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(...) I'm wondering how people can maintain their faith in the face of what has just happened. If you believe God to be all-good and all-powerful, then explain to me how this kind of horrible thing is allowed to happen. And don't give me that "works (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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Without commenting on whether god had anything to do with this or not... (...) This particular one is noteworthy... you can see gods hand in it if you like, it is said he moves in mysterious ways, but the reason these towers didn't collapse right (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) It's not my wish to deconstruct anyone's religion at a time like this, but I must point out that all of the evidence you cite above would likewise have been true even if He were not looking out for the Good Ol' US of A. For many, it is (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: LP statement on terrorist attacks
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(...) I don't see how you can possibly say that. It's a statement of position and a request to the membership to take certain actions. Are you saying that if I went to the DNC website I wouldn't see a similar statement? I did, and there is (URL) you (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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(...) Amen! As you say, many are wondering where God is right now, or why He let this happen. I'd like to say to them that He's very much present and hard at work. We see it reflected all over: - The government could be in much worse shape. The (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: LP statement on terrorist attacks
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(...) Larry, give me a break. You're much more intelligent that you are trying to act here. The LP is taking political advantage of the current crises to promote themselves. If that's not pandering, then I don't know what is. (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: War
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(...) Apparently (at least as CNN relates) they're still holding one, the guy with the pilot ID. (...) Isn't there another person, a brother, who is stating that the person suspected by the FBI of flying one of the planes in fact died in an air (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | My Prayer on this National Day of Prayer
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To my friends at LUGNET, The United States, and the rest of the world by way of sympathy, have suffered greatly this week. Here in our own little microcosm of the world, we have shared news of tradgedy and sorrow, stories of hope and survival, and (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | No more donated blood or goods needed just now
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From the FEMA site: (URL) state of New York has reported that there is no additional need for volunteers or donated goods for the World Trade Center response. In addition to the federal, state and local government resources being deployed to the (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | From the Washington Post
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This article has some interesting info about the CIA.. further down it speculates about how a military operation might unfold. (URL) guess what bothers me (and why I decided to post the link) is that it seems that the operation will start with (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yesterday, the L.A. County police also put out a bulletin to watch out for bogus soliciters cashing in by supposedly going around for donations to help WTC victims. It wasn't clear whether there had been a report of this actually happening but (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: War
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(...) A report on NPR this morning indicates that the FBI is now denying that there was any such group. The report of a single individual attempting to board a plane with a fake pilot's ID in New York has not yet been contradicted, but I'll wait for (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Please make a donation via Paypal to the Red Cross!
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(...) My company is also trying to help the Red Cross. We're printing and selling t- shirts (bumper stickers are in the works) with an image that we've created. Net proceeds will go to the Red Cross. Response has been absolutely overwhelming. The (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.general)
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| | Re: The killing needs to stop.
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(...) To add to this, I listened to an uplifting editorial yesterday evening on NPR. I believe it was from a mother of a WTC victim. Basically, it was an appeal to our government not to kill innocent people in retaliation for the attack. Dan (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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One of my email accounts is pretty clogged with spam. In part that is its function... to be a place where spam goes so I don't get it elsewhere. Among the usual detrius (enlargment of organs or fortunes, creams, refinancing schemes, credit cleansing (...) (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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