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(...) Bin Laden was a part of the Mujahedin guerilla, fighting the Soviet troops as they tried to invade Afghanistan. Key members of the Mujahedin guerilla where trained by the CIA, and rather successfully, too. They did hold off the Soviet troops (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Israel has been doing the exact thing the US has been, which is not working - limited responce. They bomb a street, Israel attacks a command post. They shoot at a schoolbus, Israel takes out a training camp. It's the _limiting_ of that (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And which government do you think has funded them and trained them? Which country's special forces trained Bin Laden in military and guerilla tactics? Which country trained the Iraqi troops? Which nation provides the most funds to the IRA? (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, and how exactly do we give peace a chance? What does that mean, just keep waving our fingers at these groups and the governments that fund, train, harbor, and protect them? Take it on the chin again and ask one government or another to (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While it may be true that _portions_ of the footage were not in celebration of the attacks, the majority of it most definitely was. I have a friend and co-worker who is visiting family in Jordan. He managed to get an e-mail through and said (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to think that you are tired, emotionally distraught, and simply not thinking straight -- because otherwise that is the scariest foreign policy I have ever seen publically expressed. You know, I am not at all happy about what has (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gee, I hate to go all warm and fuzzy on you... ...but how about we give peace a chance? <3 -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? I guess we might as well throw this book of lies away then... =) BTW, these are not mere descriptions -- you know, silly stuff like where a whale swallows a man and delivers him to another country. It is my understanding that Joshua is (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure. Create more martyrs. Great Idea. This sounds like the Israeli model to deal with terrorists. Does it work for them? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) exactly. well said. Dan (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hold on there - the fact that the bible describes violence doesn't in any way mean that either the Jewish or the Christian/Catholic religions condone such actions. Yes, there are many stories of war in the bible, but one of the 10 commendmends (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) it does? saying that we need to kill someone who _says_ they want to kill us, and _have_actually_ acted so in the past is the same as killing someone just because they prey/act differently? Not in my mind. (...) uh, where did he even mention (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard, what specifically are the other ideas? You are being vague. What are you expecting to postpone? This is a life and death matter. There will be another attack. (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm going into Manhattan now. I've been working most of the night on my little part of restoring normalcy. I'm seething mad this morning. Who is my anger directed against? It's not directed at my Muslim co-workers, whom I expect to have lunch with, (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Years ago, the U.S. and other members of the world community sat on their hands as the Nazis performed atrocities before the world. Behind the scenes, many of our corporate "persons" profited from the blood and suffering of others (recently (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I generally agreed with what you said Scott, so I am just picking at the details here... I think you meant that "no religion SHOULD condone what happened on Tuesday." Sadly, many faiths do suborn the use of violence to an almost epic scale -- (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Brave words. But they are words I agree with. It is time for everyone in the west to see and understand the full implications of our "foreign policy". I hope it is a gross exaggeration, but I heard last night that the sanctions in Iraq had (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is tough without knowing who did it. But, I would say that the number one weapon should be education. As I have said before, if the group who did this use religion as a justification, the link between their religion and their act must be (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, me too. I stand with my countrymen who also stand for peace. If we succumb to reacting from our passions rather than acting out of reason and love for our fellows then we have lost everything already. If our brothers and sisters on this (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ack. Ooops. Methinks that says "it's time for bed." Cross out that first "tortured logic." Maybe I should have said "redundancy?" Or maybe "redundancy?" best LFB (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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