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  Re: Shiri - A one time thing?
 
(...) May I ask why the drinking age in the US is 21? Do any other rights/privileges accrue at that age, or is everything else 16/18+? Or is alcohol thought to be such a dangerous drug that it shouldn't be used while someone is still in their teens? (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.org.us.nelug, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gun Control, Unnessesary Evil
 
(...) wrong (...) Well if by "wrong" one means, morally, then no. If by "wrong" one means, not a good idea, then yes. (After reading Lindsay's post I relized I needed to clarify my statement) I realize that my position is a minority one in this (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Shiri - A one time thing?
 
(...) BayLUG always has been, and always will be, open to people of all ages. (...) Sure, come on down! Russell (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.org.us.baylug)
 
  Re: Shiri - A one time thing?
 
(...) Umm, I think you're over generalizing here. Based on the above statement, Lugnet is a "closed group" since it is NOT open to just anyone. It limits membership to people who are willing to follow a few basic rules. At least one person has been (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Shiri - A one time thing?
 
(...) neither (...) In your opinion. Who are you to determine, as fact, the worth of my statements?? (...) I haven't seen any reasonable arguements other than 'that's how we voted to do it'. Sounds like some of the 'they're my marbles, so it's my (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Shiri - A one time thing?
 
(...) Well...I find the whole topic offensive. Same for defense of it on all sides, including my own. What I did wrong was to discuss it in the wrong newsgroup. But I've said my piece. Cheers, - jsproat (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Go ahead, make my day!
 
(...) Texas IS the only soverign nation that petitioned to join (and there are those that claim that it therefore has the right to secede again :-) ) ++Lar (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Go ahead, make my day!
 
(...) It's interesting reading. The defense of property part is what I suspected it might be - even though that is couched in "reasonable belief" terms and "can't get the property back" terms, tackling a guy running off with your stereo is fraught (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gun Control, Unnessesary Evil
 
(...) So it is not "wrong" then? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Go ahead, make my day!
 
(...) Well, since you keep bringing Texas up, I thought I would give you a little reading material.... SUBCHAPTER C. PROTECTION OF PERSONS § 9.31. Self-Defense (a) Except as provided in Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Go ahead, make my day!
 
(...) And very nicely done. It's always nice to find the proper spot for Dave! (1) 2 - other people's footnotes ++Lar (reduce, reuse (2), recycle.. but do NOT "redirect" to local.portugal please) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Gun Control, Unnessesary Evil
 
(...) It's wrong for the context of the United States. Small-arms control may be just dandy for other countries, but the US isn't another country. The Constitution is part of the reason, but it is in itself not enough justification--the Constitution (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Go ahead, make my day!
 
(...) I think you have WAY too narrow a view of what "reasonable belief" is. Maybe that's where you may think I'm foolish, but I think you're beyond foolish in what you think it will/will not cover (in states outside of your precious California, (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Go ahead, make my day!
 
(...) <awkward snip: the following is attributed to Bruce S. by Dave! [1]> (...) I'll say! I mean, think of John Wayne Gacy, and that clown from Stephen King's novel "It". Thank goodness the last Bozo (Chicago area) is finally going to clown (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
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  Re: National vote on handguns?
 
(...) No, I'm afraid I do not have any cites. But I have never heard of any place where crime rate was low *and kept descending* in a constant way. The contrary seems however verifiable in most places of Earth where human presence is felt (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: National vote on handguns?
 
(...) I mentioned Texas - high handgun density, death penalty, high murder rate. But I bet I could find another state that had high handgun density, the death penalty, and a low murder rate. I rather expect it has a lot to do with the local (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: National vote on handguns?
 
(...) Disagree. Do you have any cites on that? This is such a multivariable problem I'd be surprised if anyone can produce cites that demonstrate anything, although I'm certainly fond of the ones that seem to indicate that right to carry states tend (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: Go ahead, make my day!
 
(...) Actually, the only law that was quoted here on the board was from Colorado. I've heard similiar claims from people in other states - I can't think of one that didn't mention the stuff about reasonable belief that you were in some sort of (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
 
  Re: National vote on handguns?
 
(...) Yes, more *than previously*, not *than expected*. Is it possible that it would have been a 80% (or anything over 40%) increase in case there were NO restrictions on weaponry? Crime has a natural tendency to rise, in any situation - maybe (...) (23 years ago, 25-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)


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