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(...) Your forgetting about the Uk we still have plenty of imperial knocking around. It's about time we got rid of the lot except of course miles per hour, Anyone who trys to change that does so at their own peril. Steve (23 years ago, 29-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Richard did not rebuff me. He only gave the fact I quoted some context. Or are you saying that this is not true: "Turkey and Israel are "free to take care of it". However, both have a history of ignoring human rights and murdering civilians in (...) (23 years ago, 29-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You appear to view human rights a luxury which is great if it can be afforded economically. I view them as being rather more fundamental than that. As I said before, Turkey will not get in the EU until it gets itself in order. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 29-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought for a while that they (the UK) DID declare two independent states... Israel and Jordan. When the UK partitioned Palestine, that was the idea. Jordan was to be one part, and Israel the other. Why didn't that work out? Or, why do the (...) (23 years ago, 29-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Abosolutely yay. The US should get out of their redneck rut and realize that they are decades behind the rest of the world when it comes to this issue. The US is simply stinking up everybody else with their stupid old system (especially here (...) (23 years ago, 29-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yay!!! I can't belive that US is still using the imperial system. Last country in the world? /Tobbe (URL) (23 years ago, 29-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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yay or nay? -chris (23 years ago, 29-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, see? Here is my point: acting defensively is totally ethical from my viewpoint. And that takes me fighting right up to the border -- my line in the sand. Once my would-be conquerors are on the other side of that line I just don't care (...) (23 years ago, 28-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Man I hate it when you're right about something! A less polemical tone on the part of US and UK (and Israeli and USSR and etc etc. heck, on the part of all of us) speakers would indeed be a good idea. ++Lar (23 years ago, 28-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip rebuffing-of-Scott-part> (...) I agree. That is definitely the key here. (...) I *completely* agree. I think I came off really different in my last post; don't get me wrong here. I am all (...) (23 years ago, 28-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have met him too, I think he's a great guy too, and I know what party you mean... but when he throws a zinger like calling this site "propaganda" I am going to zing back. As usual, he doesn't want to discuss his zinger here, (although he (...) (23 years ago, 28-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lar, how can I put it subtly, Scott (whom I have met, and is a great guy), happens to be a card carrying member, and of the same affiliation as ... (and I am sure he voted for...) dubya. 'Nuff said? (Not that there is anything wrong with (...) (23 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) One liner, huh? It says 4500 yes. "Background Armed conflict between Turkish security forces and the PKK has continued since 1984 in the southeast of Turkey, which is mainly inhabited by Kurds. Both sides were responsible for human rights (...) (23 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're referring to this bit, I trust: "Both sides were responsible for human rights abuses during the conflict, in which an estimated 4,500 civilians were killed, around 3,000 settlements evacuated or burned down and up to three million (...) (23 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) See: (URL) counts 4500 civilian deaths. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 6000 civilians? You are sure right? And systematically?..Wow..You enlightened me..:-) Doc knows my country better than me..:-) I know Turkey has the worst kind of scum as a government for decades but only one thing that I'm sure of exists, (...) (23 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good thing for most of Europe enough people thought it was moral to fight a war on foreight soil (though I guess in some cases, outside participation was invited). I also don't think we would have the relative peace we have in Europe had we (...) (23 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That was in the bad old days... most other countries were doing pretty much the same - or wanted to. But sure, I'm still not proud of it. Anyhow, we have rebranded ourselves as the "UK" :-) (...) I view some laws as protection for the poor or (...) (23 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's the way of blood feuds. Or gang-warfare. Or <your phrase of choice here>! Still, a less polemical tone might be more appropriate for someone in Great Britian. Britain is hardly a country without fault, historically speaking. If the sun (...) (23 years ago, 27-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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