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I was thinking of not putting anything into this thread. Tough to stay out of though. Lots of good points are being made by all parties and clearly this is a nicely behaved and well reasoned thread, kudos to all posters. (...) Good point. But where (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi Shiri! I liked your post very much, especially the part about the personal accounts of Jewish families during the Holocaust. Big numbers can mean nothing if we never hear the personal stories of those who suffered or died. When I read the "Diary (...) (23 years ago, 25-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay... I just thought I'd point out that I wasn't trying to negatively criticize anyone specifically for the manner in which they choose to remember the Holocaust. To that extent, I think that I am with Shiri inasmuch as personal accounts (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey Dan, Hi Richard, and Jeremy and Dave. First of all - I want to make it loud and clear that I am *totally* biased. Not only am I 100% Jewish, but my whole family suffered from the Holocaust, I have a very small extended family because most of my (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not saying that big lies don't happen. I'm not defending the media, either. Um, I'm not sure what I'm saying. :-, Shortly after seeing Amadeus, I was made aware of the Salieri conspiracy. The movie was mean, but so what? As a work of (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So did Braveheart, while we're at it, though as a history story it is only slightly more accurate than Mr. Peabody's time travels with Sherman. The only saving grace re: historical value is that neither film claimed to be an accurate (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, I got another doosy for you, Jeremy! Old skool: Remember when "Amadeus" won a bunch of Oscars back in 1984? We all got familiarized with the "story" of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and how Salieri was jealous and killed him-- 100% pure crap! (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes! Thanks, I was having trouble recalling his name and didn't want to butcher it. :) (...) Well, I admire any artist willing to use their celebrity status in a positive, non-egocentric way. It breaks my heart when an artist like Spielberg (a (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Several. On almost all of those occasions, they were trying to pick my pocket. No, really. That said, part of the reason that few people remember Gyspies in their holocaust rememberances (or any other time) is because they are still heavily (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah! Now I see where you're coming from. I still hold that, in itself, the film can't be blasted for failing to address matters outside its scope, since to do otherwise would by definition require that everything address everything--a (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great point, Dave! And that's exactly my point of the media twisting things to suit a political purpose--hence propaganda. (...) I remember it because it ticked me off. I ended up recording it on video. (...) It's not just the lies, but the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I believe that an omission is a lie. So, to omit the whole history of the Holocaust and focus only on one group of people that suffered and died, and to repeat and repeat only that part of the history (allowing the other stats to be obscured) (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't remember that special, but--more than just propaganda--it's playing to public expectation. If it had aired two years earlier, no doubt Qaddafi (has anyone ever agreed on an English spelling of his name?) would have been the target. (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh heh, I see what you mean. That was a big ol' can of worms! ;^) (...) If you want specifics, I've got doosy for you-- In October of 1990, NBC aired a "special" on Nostrodamis's predictions of world tyrants (by the way, all that Nostradamis (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So it's ok for a Danish company to use an English name but not a Maori one? Note that it was pointed out that TLC did not copyright or trademark the names (and even if they were trademarked, a trademark is in relation to a specific product (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.loc.nz, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa. Dude. Freaky. The article number was 1227, but the trailing "7" seems to have been chopped off. Let's see if this works: (URL) that, try this... /off-topic/debate/?n=1227 The disclaimer still stands, though. ;-) (...) Hmm. It's difficult (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Or doesn't work, since we keep having wars. :( Yep, the American media does a great job to stir up hatred as to somehow justify it's shameful foreign policy. Omitting facts about the Holocaust by repeating (and repeating) only the figures on (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In my view, since the film was about Schindler's List, anyone outside of the direct effect of The List is irrelevant to the film. That's not to say their deaths weren't tragic or aren't signficant, but they are beyond the intended scope of the (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It should be noted that Speilberg is Jewish. This doesn't forgive his ignoring other pogroms, of course, but it is significant. (...) This has been hashed over in this newsgroup before; here's my take (1) on it: (URL) few of those points I've (...) (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Me too. His films are kitchy but somehow super fun. My favorite scene was with the folding-ladder combat in First Strike. Cheers, - jsproat (23 years ago, 24-Apr-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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