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(...) Now that is one of the most enlightening points of view on this subject I have heard in years! :) I must add though, that if driving is just a privilege (as you and so many law enforcers have said), then what would the state do if no one (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am fascinated by this thread. I consider myself one who is generally lawful and generally appreciative of law and codes of conduct. Yet, I admittedly do not adhere to speed regulations while operating motor vehicles or heavy equipment. Be it (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh come on Larry, it's quite clearly meant to refer to Sterling currency. In for a "1p" in for a "£". Mind you I wonder what we'll say if we ever take the plunge? "In for a cent, in for a Euro" sounds rubbish. (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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test2 (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.test)
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(...) Frank, I am not sure what you are seeing there -- I think it was my intent to be cautious about saying anything for certain about that instance of possible child beating. I did subsequently see the camera/video footage of the beating and if (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've actually seen the SUV ad and appreciated it-it was a good play on sweet and innocent girl doing the voice over against her actual words, much like the satire 'See Spot Run' cartoons I've seen in the past, in which Spot is not anything (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now I remember why I appreciate you in .debate (as if I'd ever forget...) ;) Not to give you a way of procrastinating... The fastest I've ever driven myself was 190 kph. It was in my new (then) 1986 Honda Prelude, and it was going down the (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it lies another dimension. A dimension not only of sight and sound, but of mind. Of things, and ideas. doo dee doo doo, doo dee doo doo (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.test)
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(...) I'm curious if this is a change in stance from this post of yours: (URL) 17688, you seemed to be willing to take action based on a single camera (granted, a video camera, but still, just from a single angle). I am cautious of taking action (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I gotta be bored at work ;) I'm not talking about what may happen. I'm talking about what did happen--someone drove over the speed limit and a picture was taken. No one had a pic taken because they were 'going to' break the speed limit--that's (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In for a penny, in for a pound (1), as they say... Herewith an article from Reason, one of my favorite magazines: (URL) the case that our Drug Czar has been using taxpayer funds to cock referendums without obeying the proper forms... I hope NV finds (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not scared, I'm not apprehensive, I'm just busy. Not SO busy that I wasn't willing to toss one post in, but busy enough that I wanted to keep it short. It's a large topic, it's been visited before, etc. As for doing away with ot-d, I (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just to poke in again for a minute... I don't consider traveling by common conveyance a "privilege" (at least it should be considered a right in my view). One should be able to travel as a matter of right unless specific damages caused by one (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On this I completely concur--DUI has to be the thing that gets my blood in a boil the most. Traffic weavers are also something I have mentioned that the cameras could and should help catch. It's not the 10 kph crowd I'm having a holy tirade (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Larry didn't say the cameras cause accidents. He said the use of the cameras causes accidents. One the one hand, I see the appeal of a totally automated ticketting system. On the other hand, I wonder who is going to apply human judgement. What (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And again, I would concur with you, Richard--systems should not 'rule' the individual, and Justice should not be left up to machines. But two of the most vocal folks on the side of 'science' are doing away with science when science interferes (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Larry is 100% correct here. His uncharacteristic succinctness is probably just his not wanting to get sucked back into OTD, just as I do not wish to be sucked back in either. But the law must actually be more than merely "just." It has to make sense (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I definitly concur with the idea that laws should, and must, be just. That said, the posted limit is 100 kph. It is my view that anyone doing anything above 100 kph is, in fact, breaking the law. Pretty much cut 'n dry. Whether the QEW or (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Test (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.test)
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(...) This should be interesting in light of the TLC infringement victory (in China) that hit the wire-services today (see .mediawatch). Since this appears to be a Coko set, and TLC just won 33 of the claimed infringements against Coko, I wonder if (...) (22 years ago, 21-Jan-03, to lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands)
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