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Re: Build sets from "My Parts"
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Wed, 7 May 2003 15:48:43 GMT
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On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 04:55:26AM +0000, Todd Lehman wrote:
> In lugnet.inv, Dan Boger writes:
> > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 05:58:58PM +0000, Suzanne D. Rich wrote:
> > > I am personally crushed and shocked that Peeron would impliment this
> > > feature for its own site, after Dan and I, and others, discussed doing
> > > it for LUGNET members, in discussions on LUGNET's internal mailing-list.
> >
> > I beg your pardon? When I suggested this (2 years ago), we were talking
> > that this will be implemented on Peeron - as LUGENT has no facilities to
> > do this. It IS done for LUGNET members, as well as non-members.
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> My personal recollection is that Suzanne was the one who came up with
> the idea, back in 1996, and shared the idea with a few people during
> BrickFest 2001 and again last summer. I don't remember anyone ever
> discussing that it would be implemented on Peeron. But again that's my
> personal recollection, and I don't claim to be omniscient.
The first time I heard this mentioned is at our apt at BF01 - Suz,
Steve, Jenn and I were brainstorming. When I brought this up, we were
talking about how we could implement it on LUGNET, with a LUGNET look
and feel, but "powered by Peeron".
And I think it doesn't actually matter who thought of it first. It's
been 2 years since BF01, 7 since 1996. I think anyone who wants to
implement good ideas (especially once they seem abandoned) is welcome.
> > Also, when I tried to integrate My Parts closer into LUGNET's interface,
> > I was asked not to code this for LUGNET,
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> You do remember why, right? When you asked if you could put a field
> in the LUGNET member profile saying "Your Peeron User ID" and described a
> matching/verification method, my response was that I wanted to implement
> it in a general way, because there are other sites with userid's besides
> peeron.com (lego.com, mocpages.com, brickshelf.com, bricklink.com, etc.),
> and it makes the most sense from LUGNET's point of view to handle these
> id's in a general way, rather than defining a single new field and making
> HTML form changes appearing to favor any one specific site.
Right - But that would have tied it in much closer to the LUGNET
membership (which it was already encouraging, mind you). You asked I
not implement that, and wait for you to do so - absolutely your
privilege. But you can't complain that it's not tied into LUGNET when
you told me not to tie it. And that's after it was already encouraging
people to sign up for LUGNET user IDs (which Peeron doesn't make any
profit off). We have always supported LUGNET, the Guide, the Newsgroups,
the _concept_.
> > due to the "appearence of impropriety".
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> I don't think I used those words, but I do remember writing:
(sorry, that was from memory - the meaning is correct though).
> The central idea is this: Since Peeron competes with LUGNET in various
> ways...
It does? I never though of Peeron and LUGNET as competitors. I always
had the view that we compliment each other very nicely. How, in your
opinion, is Peeron competing with LUGNET?
> ..., your server access on LUGNET is a potential conflict of interest in
> various ways: As owner/operator of Peeron[tm], naturally it's your
> responsibility to act in Peeron's best interests, but as someone with
> access to the LUGNET[tm] server, naturally you also bear a responsibility
> to act in LUGNET's best interests whenever possible. A delicate balancing
> act, to be sure, but ultimately you have to make choices.
When you guys approached me to help with LUGNET, I was happy to be able
to help. I did make it clear though, that Peeron will always be my
first priority. But since I never saw LUGNET interests in conflict with
Peeron interests, it never actually came into play. I do believe I've
been a helpful force for LUGNET, both behind the scenes on the server,
and with the minor front end changes I was allowed to make, bug fixed,
passwords reset, making sure we have backups of the server, setting up a
development server and CMS, and general monitoring and administration.
Todd, Suz, this is your server to do with as you please. I was happy to
help when I could, but if you're not comfortable with that, it's your
choice to make. I do hope we can continue cooperating, as I think it's
extremely beneficial to the community, and more importantly, I hope this
won't cloud our friendship.
Dan
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