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Re: Mathematical proof that you can't build anything with LEGO bricks
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Tue, 28 Feb 2012 03:30:43 GMT
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In lugnet.general, John P. Henderson wrote:


   I spend too much time on Facebook. I very much want to click “Like” to both David Laswell’s and Dave Eaton’s comments here.

As for the argument Dr. Changizi presents, I’m too distracted by the opening of the article, which to any experienced Lego fan merely echoes the countless debates we’ve had on Lugnet, and before that on rtl, and before that when we only had the neighbor’s kid to talk Lego with, on the topic of specialized elements versus basic ones. The end results of such debates, regardless which side you might fall on, have always been:

A) Basic bricks remain the cheapest per-piece way to add Lego to a household - by way of Creator/Basic/Universal/Tub sets that have always been and are still available, and often consist of mostly basic elements.

B) SOME specialized elements are important to developing more advanced building techniques and creativity, and arguably have been necessary to the development of themes that hold fan interest into adulthood.

C) Mathematicians haven’t looked at Brickshelf photos of Brick convention displays.

Whether the article presents any valid arguments actually worth adding to the old debate, I can only doubt.

-Hendo

Yes, the debate is the same one that has been going on forever, but when you compare his research with his opening claim that “The sets kids receive as gifts today are replete with made-to-order piece types special to each set, useful in one particular spot, and often useless elsewhere” it’s clear that even his own data do not support him.

To support this claim, one would have to look at the rate at which LEGO introduces new elements, as well as how many sets a certain element appears in. I pointed out to Dr. Changizi in an e-mail that the pieces in the set he uses as an example (the Geonosian Starfighter) are all actually fairly common pieces used in hundreds of other sets. He replied that this does not undermine his argument, but it clearly does. Usually the only pieces that are ever specific to one set are the minifig elements, and these are not part of the construction.

His research is about the flexibility of the system to build new and unique networks (a LEGO set is a network in his model.) Clearly, TLC is making wide use of its elements, not to mention the individual builders who are finding new applications that do not appear in any sanctioned sets.



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  Re: Mathematical proof that you can't build anything with LEGO bricks
 
(...) He's got a (half baked) hypothesis. He wrote a paper 10 years ago and is still milking it. Don't confuse him with data. OK, that was harsh, but that's what I come away with, without detracting from the agreement points we DID find here. Like (...) (13 years ago, 28-Feb-12, to lugnet.general, FTX)  

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  Re: Mathematical proof that you can't build anything with LEGO bricks
 
(...) I spend too much time on Facebook. I very much want to click "Like" to both David Laswell's and Dave Eaton's comments here. As for the argument Dr. Changizi presents, I'm too distracted by the opening of the article, which to any experienced (...) (13 years ago, 28-Feb-12, to lugnet.general, FTX)

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