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(...) -I consider myself a fairly openminded individual, but this definintely falls into the "it's been done that way forever, don't change it now" column. I think this is the single worst move the company has EVER made, up to and including Galidor. (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, Ondrew Hartigan wrote: [snip] (...) I'm not here for the money issue. I consider my lego as a stress reliever, not as an investment :) (...) it's not that the old dark gray was realistic for the rails, but, imagine the rails with (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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I quite agree...add all the new colors you like, but stop making the classic colors? Next thing you know, Ferraris won't be available in red anymore, and we'll be changing the American flag to Orange, Bisque, and Periwinkle. (...) Steve Coaller, 38 (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Same here.. which is ironic, considering how a lot of people are reacting. But for just the record, I don't think getting rid of the old colors is a good idea either. New colors are a great idea... replacing old ones is not so good without a (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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The color change is a great evil...come to your senses Lego and stop this blasphemy. Get rid of this "new coke" and give me my orignial recipe. I need it bad baby...I'm jonesin' for a fix...and those crack-dealers on bricklink are gonna up the price (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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As I mentioned elsewhere I can't fathom why TLG thought it worthwhile to create a severe compatibility issue just because some focus group said grey should look more cheerful. Not only will this cause a lot of headaches to me personally on a very (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I am in wholehearted support of this plan, but those who are interested may wish to check out my .lego post on this topic. Matthew Jeffery, 16 (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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Grey is for castle walls, Grey is for Space ships, Grey is for Town Churches, 'new-Grey' is for inconsistency... Don't fool yourselves TLC, Kids WILL notice and say: "Mommy look, it doesn't match." And that's just the effect on the youth, on anyone (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Andrzej M. Szlaga, 24. -- shgg. (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Replacing my current inventory with the new gray color is impossible until these parts will be available in the new color: (11 URLs) And not to mention many classic space parts (...) Niels Karsdorp, 29 (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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If you dare, write to them!!!! As I have seen, petition runs here on LUGNET. Many people are thrilled some way. There is also feeling of betrayal and some craving that TLG doesn't listen to AFOL's alhough it's 5% of the market. If you dare, spend 80 (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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I've attempted to consolidate the list of names from throughout this petition thread. (...) The list so far: (Please forgive me if I've missed anyone!) (...) Christopher Phillips, 38 I've already commented elsewhere. Let's just say I won't be (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Good point. I'll have to join Ondrew's camp, as it seems he has given this much logical thought with supporting arguments (and not went into profane rants and raves like some others (we can all figure out who the worst ones are). I have not (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Oops, I overlapped posts and missed one. (Sorry, Niels!) The consolidated list: OnDrew Hartigan, 20 Amaury Jacquot, 28 Chris Maddison, 21 Steve Coaller, 38 Keith Goldman, 30 Robin Sather, 38 Matthew Jeffery, 16 Mark Tarrabain, 39 Andrzej M. (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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I agree. James Wilson, 39 see my (URL) poll #170> on the same matter. (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Jason Spears, 24 (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, Ondrew Hartigan wrote: (snip) (...) (snip) Ya know, anyone with $4000 worth of the now-so-called "muddy" grey parts oughtta be able to build any sized sidewalk they wanted to. And Jake's mentioned a prospect of parts packs in the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) A "big, shiny marketing campaign" isn't going to happen here. LEGO will just start putting the new colors into sets, and hope people don't notice that the parts don't match their existing collection of pieces. Here on LUGNET where some of the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Jeramy Spurgeon, 27 The only logic I can see in all of this is that TLG is TRYING to match the colors of MegaBloks. It has been the sruggle for MB with their inferior plastics to match LEGO in quality and color, and now LEGO takes a step down (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) What Chris said :( Make sure you fill out a petition! (URL) Henmi (formerally Carasik), 29 (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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The four of us in our very LEGO household use mass quantities of light gray and dark gray - we buy more bulk bricks and plates in these two colors than all others combined. Changing them will certainly affect us a lot! (Annoy is a better word. And I (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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To TLG: Please don't permanently change the light and dark grey colors. I *like* the muddiness. Who responded to this anyway in the market research? Parents of children? Kids themselves? They don't buy bulk amounts of the two colors of (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Changing the color of light grey Lego components is like removing the cornerstone in a building. Children care little about the exact shade of a color and a lot about the shape and content of parts offered. They are more interested in the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, Ted Michon wrote: <snip> (...) Thats funny you should mention that. Yesterday I held a building session at my son's school. And during the clean up I noticed a 2x4 MegaBlock brick that was the schools. The teacher seemed surprised (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Count me in amongst people COMPLETELY AGAINST this color replacement. This is the WORST move in Lego history, yes even worse then Galidor. Stephane Simard Owner of approx. 65000 Lego parts (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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I wish they won't do that! I haven't seen the new colors, but I don't care! Like many others, I have thousands of parts in the "old" colors and I wouldn't feel very good about having to change those parts because they don't fit anymore with the new (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Greg Muri, 32 The corporate marketing speech that Jake posted is a total crock. I will not be purchasing any new sets that contain these colors. Honestly I am still unsure if I will continue Lego as a hobby at all. TLG did such a wonderful job (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I'll cast in my lot as well... Still too stunned to really comment... John Rudy, 18 (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Okay... plenty of words from the adult section of LUGNET, allow me to repeat the expressions of one of my children with whom I have talked about this issue. My son, btw, is 17 now, and has been a *HUGE* LEGO fan for about a decade. It was he (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I've observed this in my children, too. And, if Lego's target audience doesn't care, then it just makes the decision to change the color just that much more inane... Mark (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Why wait until 2005? Here are the new castle figures we heard so much about: (URL) Isn't that great! I bet they did a lot of market research on this decision too. Wow, I just love TLC. They make such great stuff. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Edit: I know it's bad form to reply to oneself, but I wanted to try to respond to the previous post in the voice of the average, emotionless, lugnet-zombie... <delurk> Gee, I don't know what to say to that...I think I disagree. I want to find (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.castle, FTX)
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(...) Think about what it means when your colors don't match any more. I expounded more on it (URL) here>, but I think this shows a fundamental shift at LEGO, away from creativity (i.e., dump all your sets together and build something) and toward (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) As Ryan noted... kids may not care at all about this, much less even notice it. (...) Then how do you explain the Designer Sets? They were resoundly declared by the community as a positive shift back toward the core values of creativity. I'm (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Seth McCarus, 26 (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Count me in, At least, LEGO should have made a POLL of some kind for their faithful and loyal consumers to vote for such a change... Yes, we might move on, but also we should not accept every thing that LEGO throw at us.. Remember, when a lot (...) (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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consider it signed Esger (21 years ago, 19-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, Ondrew Hartigan wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> I agree. Keep the old colors. Jason Ellis - 28 (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Soren Roberts, 18. This is not good. Not good at all. (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Matt Chiles, 32 I was considering entering a dark age as far as buying new sets since I already have more Lego than anyone needs. This will push me into it. :( (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Bob Hayes, 39 I AGREE THAT NEW COLORS ARE GREAT BUT REPLACING CURRENT COLORS IS A BAD IDEA. I just bought the new mini Star Destroyer set nice little set, nice new colors, but I want the old light grey and dark grey! I would be happy with just the (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I've explained my feelings elsewhere. But two things i didn't mention i will do for sure: 1. Write to Lego telling about my disliking of color change; 2. STOP buying sets with this new colours. Oddly enough, i think i'll check Peeron first. Or (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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I'll add my name to the list: Tim Courtney, 21 I called Consumer Affairs today to voice my extreme dissatisfaction about this as well. I'm not overly optimistic any of this will change what is, but we'll see. -Tim (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Add me to the list. Jamie Neufeld,28 (URL) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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Hey, do you remember someone who stockpiled Coke in 1985? I had a neighbor whose parents complained of migraines if they didn't get their bottle of Coke. So, prior to the switchover to Coke II the garage was stuffed to the gills with Coke, so that (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Add me to the list of people not-so-happy with a possible replacemnt of grays. (...) Jeff Reuland, 47 (wow, 47!) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Me too. John Henry Kruer, 14 (2 URLs) >> (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) -snip- (...) But in this petition, you forgot to write down your age... Another Erik -who will now sign the petition himself- (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Harvey Henkelman, 28 (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) OK, add me to the list: Erik Boons from Holland, almost 32 "Come on people, we need at least a few thousand more!" (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Rick Clark, 34 (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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I guess we gave up on inline replying long ago, oh well. Might I suggest some new nomenclature for the new colors? Something we need to think about when creating a name standard to call the new colors is that the name needs to be as short as (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Oops, forgot my age in that post. I'm 26. (and I would've been just as upset at the color change if it had happened when I was a kid.) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, David Gregory wrote: Yeah! Wrong move Lego. Paul Thomas SPLTC (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) These knights aren't a replacement for the castle theme. We haven't heard much, if anything, about castle figures in 2004. If you are referring to what Brad said at Lego World there simply was not "much" there at all. Nothing that could be (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Adrian Egli, 34 (in about a week) I just want to pass along a little story- It was 1979 and (I believe) I went to a K-Mart not far from my home to buy space set #452 Mobile Tracking Station ((URL)) and when I got it I discovered I just got my first (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Be honest, Adrian! Twenty three years from now you will still be saying the same thing! (as will I:-) If TLC's motto is "Only the best is good enough", our motto is "only more is enough";-) JOHN (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Mmmmmmm.... More LEGO.... Gaaghghghhhhghhhhh.... (Homer Simpson Drool) When folks(1) say, "Don't you have enough LEGO????" What??? Are they kidding me?? Never have enuf LEGO :) Dave K 1- family, friends, fellow workers, acquaintances, gov't (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) As a good friend, I'm happy to suggest (URL) set> as a great source of 2x4 bricks. I'm sure you'll be eager to purchase many copies! Dave! (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) All you do is give, Dave! (...) Caveats? ;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Perhaps we need an FAQ dealing with the issue of drool stains on bricks? (I know I have this problem with my dark red collection;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Of course its a good thing for collectors - they can charge more for the parts, and tout their collection as being more valuable. That's great, if you're selfish. But, if you just want to keep building in your favorite colors, and don't have a (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Hey look, the MB marketing department is at it again. Beating that dead horse. -Jason (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) MB?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!...!!! I want my bridges to hold up, not fall down. Adr. (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Never underestimate the competition. I happen to think that competitiors such as Mega-Bloks and the other (legal) clones are good for AFOLs. They keep TLC on their toes, and that is a Good Thing®. That is the free market in action. I'm just (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I agree that having competitors is a good thing. (...) What I object to is the constant posting of the same old stuff. "Hey! MB is great!" It seems everytime Dave or Rich gets a chance to promote MB, there they are tooting that horn. "Hey! MB (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Please see (URL) here> If your only complaint is the quality of cohesion then this is no longer a real issue with Mega Bloks. If you are insistent on LEGO brand just for the sake of the name than I respect that. For the record I do not mix the (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Well, the obvious suggestion is that you not read my posts, since you've correctly identified my opinion re MEGA BLOKS. And let's be fair. My post was a rather obvious jest meant for John, an avowed clone-shunner. Anyway, I usually only post (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) It's brand loyality and 30+ years of doing business with LEGO (never a dark age). I still hear stories from many friends who have had troubles with MB. So I figure "Why spend my money on something people say is starting to work when I've been (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Fair enough. I used to think that way, and admittedly I still have a strong brand preference for LEGO, but those MB navy ships were too much to pass up IMHO. I personally feel the main LEGO company is a boat teetering on the edge of a (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) As a test, I sent a friend of mine a copy of the picture of the greys that started off this whole topic, minus the "old" and "new" labels. This friend is NOT an AFOL, just a regular, average parent/consumer...he played with LEGO as a kid, and (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) If I may be permitted to speak on the issue of clone brands, I offer the following: You pose a valid question, and it actually describes something quite distinct from (and better than) pure brand loyalty, which can be self-defeating. Your (...) (21 years ago, 20-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) Then my answer is "yes" ;-) On that quality point, I know you're talking hypothetical here, but I did call the consumer services number to do some inquiring of my own. The rep told me that LEGO was getting calls that people were hearing rumors (...) (21 years ago, 21-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) This is like when Coke found that people really did prefer Pepsi in blind taste tests. Lots of surprises here: (URL) (21 years ago, 21-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Please add Aaron F. West age 30, father of three children and advocate of coffee tables featuring LEGO bricks. I'd like to add my voice to this. I have purchased nearly 400,000 LEGO building bricks since I first came to love the building toy. (...) (21 years ago, 21-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) For some reason that struck me as an odd statement :) o well. Add my name to the list as well. Allister McLaren - Age 34, and breeding a crop of little Lego fans. (2 and counting) (21 years ago, 21-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Ondrew, Count me in. TLG should definately go back to the old colors. Changing standard colors like this severly undermines the part interchangeability which is the cornerstone of the Lego system. - Brian Williams, age 27 (21 years ago, 21-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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I AGREE THAT NEW COLORS ARE GREAT BUT REPLACING CURRENT COLORS IS A BAD IDEA. Ralph Döring, 32 I really liked the introduction of very light grey in the LEGO mosaic. Why didn't TLG use it in any other sets ? Or did I miss them ? With more shades of (...) (21 years ago, 21-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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Count me in. Christian Allred, 28. New colours are fine, but PLEASE don't replace old standards! (21 years ago, 21-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I'm 28... woopdee really, but what about if we convert our eyes to black and white? ;) that could solve loads of problems :D Mel (sometimes, ya just gotta 'ave fun) (21 years ago, 22-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I agree with this. Not so much for the investment factor, but because I think if the old colours were good until now then they are good, period. There's a use for all of the shades... Pedro Silva (aged 21) (21 years ago, 22-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Joseph Kazmo <darkkazmo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:HoMGxz.11EJ@lugnet.com... (...) understand... (...) of (...) are ... Whatever next? Discontinue black, for being too dark? Stop making bright red, for being too bright? Grey should be dull. (...) (21 years ago, 22-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Legoland builders can still get Maersk Blue. If they do go through with this we'll be paying 50 cents a brick on Bricklink and they wont even notice.-Ken (21 years ago, 23-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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I don't mind new colors but I really don't like changing existing ones. It screws everything up! The point of collecting something is to continue adding to it, not having to start over again. I'm 21, and have been collecting Lego for 16 years. And I (...) (21 years ago, 24-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Michael Bosch, 29. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. (21 years ago, 24-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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I agree that the new colors are great, but replacing current colors is a bad idea. Age: 30 (21 years ago, 24-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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Hello! (...) I disagree that new colours are a great idea, at least in general. I'm getting confused by all those new colours available in only few parts. I completely agree, though, that replacing old colours with new colours is a bad idea. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I recommend we drum up media attention, like what happened when Crayola changed their crayon colors a few years ago. How's this for a headline: LEGO replaces classic "Gray" and "Dark Gray" colors with "Ash" and "Gunmetal". In a cost cutting (...) (21 years ago, 24-Nov-03, to lugnet.general, FTX)
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(...) I am 35 and have no clue what you are talking about but I can still say that color change is BAD. I too have way too much invested in my existing colors and changes would likely result in my just giving up LEGO for good. -paul (21 years ago, 24-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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I just got my first two sets with the new colors. While they are nice improvements, I must say that it does cause a problem with the bricks that I already have. I wish I just had 4000+ dollars of the old colors. I have a lot more. So probably I will (...) (21 years ago, 27-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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In lugnet.general, John Patterson wrote: [snip] (...) I'd speculate the same here. (...) I don't know where you're getting your info from. From everything I've seen, both Clikits and NBA are popular series. I believe they are successful lines for (...) (21 years ago, 27-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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(...) (21 years ago, 28-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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snip (...) Add my name. Mike Kollross, 32. As an AFOL I have been a champion for toy I thought could do no wrong (Galidor, ect aside). Apart from the odd product line I have supported Lego and sung its praises at Train shows and mall shows ect. I (...) (21 years ago, 28-Nov-03, to lugnet.general)
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