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| | | (...) Those who hi-jacked the planes are a little hard to reach for the moment... And killing their leaders (along with thousands of innocent people?) won't change anything. (...) Ever heard of the Vietnam war and many other in its likeness? (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Matthew Gerber
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| | | | | Please...hold off on the debate...seriously...you'll all have plenty of time later to bitch and moan and argue...why not let today be for the people who have been injured or killed? I'm very serious here. Give it a break, huh? Matt (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | | | (...) Yes, you're absolutely right. I'm very sorry. /Tore (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | (...) In the words of Ghandi (paraphrased), There are many things in this world worth dying for, but there is nothing worth killing for. ROSCO (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Jeff Findley
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| | | | | (...) Interesting quote from CNN online: Russian President Vladimir Putin also sent a telegram to Bush. "Dear George," he wrote, "such an inhuman act must not go unpunished." I'm sure that the US is going to strike back at the terrorist (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | (...) How do you strike back "morally"? Obviously people like this are not going to just give up. (...) Make no mistake, this is war. The only way to deal with terrorists is with terror. That may seem harsh but if we want to do something against (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Mike Walsh
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| | | | | | "Eric Kingsley" <kingsley@nelug.org> wrote in message news:GJK1F4.7tD@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) prevent (...) with (...) terrorism (...) the (...) die. (...) war to (...) you (...) of us (...) the US (...) it (...) and it (...) (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) If the USA acts with the brutality that many seem to expect/want more martyrs will be created and the events of yesterday may well be repeated at some point in the future by those who follow. Only tackling the apparent philosophical legitimacy (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.general, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) This is great but how do you suggest we "tackle the philosophical legitimacy" of whomever did this? And how do you suggest we ensure that events such as these never happen again without all out (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) That is tough without knowing who did it. But, I would say that the number one weapon should be education. As I have said before, if the group who did this use religion as a justification, the link between their religion and their act must be (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | (...) I generally agreed with what you said Scott, so I am just picking at the details here... I think you meant that "no religion SHOULD condone what happened on Tuesday." Sadly, many faiths do suborn the use of violence to an almost epic scale -- (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | (...) hold on there - the fact that the bible describes violence doesn't in any way mean that either the Jewish or the Christian/Catholic religions condone such actions. Yes, there are many stories of war in the bible, but one of the 10 commendmends (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Richard Marchetti
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| | | | | | | | (...) Really? I guess we might as well throw this book of lies away then... =) BTW, these are not mere descriptions -- you know, silly stuff like where a whale swallows a man and delivers him to another country. It is my understanding that Joshua is (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Dan Boger
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| | | | | | | | (...) heh, for all practical purposes, I have :) only reason I have a copy is that it was a present, and it does make a good reference book, esp for .debate. (...) It is my opinion that the land of Israel doesn't belong to the Israelis because the (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) This assumes that some will be allowed to "follow." (...) I agree to a point. If you're willing to rule out mass murder as an option, then you are spot on. Your whole point about disconnecting religion (religion shared by many) from these (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Ray Sanders
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.general, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) A reasonable person would have to ask, how would this question had been perceived if it had been directed to whoever perpetrated yesterdays events before they happened. Either they were commiting (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | | | Take this out of general and keep it in debate - it has now moved from special news to debating. PLease! Kevin ---...--- Craftsman Lego Kits & Custom models: (URL) Lego parts store: (URL) Lego auctions: (URL) Guild of Bricksmiths: (URL) Lego Web (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Kevin Wilson
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| | | | | | TAKE THIS OUT OF .GENERAL! PLEASE! if you want to snarl at each other, do it in .debate where it belongs Kevin ---...--- Craftsman Lego Kits & Custom models: (URL) Lego parts store: (URL) Lego auctions: (URL) Guild of Bricksmiths: (URL) Lego Web (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | There is no way to break the circle of violence short of annihilating the fanatics. Ignoring them and not fighting back does not seem to slow their attacks down at all. If NOT fighting them doesn't stop their attacks (as has been shown to date), (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | It is utterly frustrating to read opinions that I strongly disagree with, and not to be allowed to explain and evolve my point of view. /Tore (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Tom Stangl
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| | | | So explain - try to give me a good reason why we should simply ignore these terrorists and hope they go away. I seriously doubt you will come up with a good enough reason. They aren't going away, that's obvious, or this wouldn't have happened. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Plane crash in New York? —Tore Eriksson
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| | | | It's passed 01:00 AM here in Sweden, and I'd better try to get some sleep. Now that I have a green light, I am too tired to compose an understandable answer. :o) For tonight, I only repeat what I said before: No, I don't have the answer to this. All (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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