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Hi, I just browsed shop.lego.com and 'mosaic' is added to the 'S@H exclusives' section! The setnumber appears to be 3443 ... Text reads: "Try out the NEW Brick-o-Lizer where you can turn a digital image into a LEGO Mosaic - a picture made of LEGO (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general) !!
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(...) WAY cool. So, I read what I could find and I can't tell, do I get 1x1 bricks or 1x1 plates (the latter preferred!!)?? Who has an image that is 1/5 of each of the 5 possible colors? :-) ++Lar (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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and it looked so promisiong until I read the fateful words of doom... (Brick-o-Lizer not available for Macintosh browsers at this time.) <short rant> In other words-Sorry, Dave and anyone else who refuses to use windoze, we at Lego hate your kind. (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) for what it's worth, it doesn't work in a NATed network either - I'm behind a firewall, and it bailed out saying it can't resolve my ip. oh well. (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) They probably wrote an Activex or whatever the latest acronym is. Instead of running it on the server like Todd's. (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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The brick-o-lizer also has an typical license agreement. Among other things it says you agree not to publically display your mosaic?!? (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Unless things have changed from when it was "premiered" at Legoland California, it's plates. Of course, for some reason when I first read about it I parsed "plates" as "tiles", and so even plates are a bit of a letdown... :D (...) It probably (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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Oh, look, Brick-o-Lizer is a Java applet! Write once, test once, run once, sort of thing. Since they used Java, it's probably extremely Windows dependent. It'll never be ported. Who will figure out what bricks go into your order? Do you think it's a (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) How far did you get? I'm behind a firewall, running Virtual PC, where it runs miserable-to-adequate, and I've done all but hit the Order button. (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Huh. It works under Linux. (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) heh, guess I was wrong. it didn't like linux at all, but when Jenn tried it from her win95, also NATed, it worked ok :) :) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) So, if I hack the browser's identifying code, I might get away with it. At least exercise the JVM ... Netscape just released a Macintosh version that actually uses the Apple/Sun Java instead of Netscape's own. (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) FWIW, I'm running under Linux, behind an IP masq box.... works fine. (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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Larry Pieniazek wrote in message ... (...) bricks (...) If it is plates I can see some AFOL getting creative to get 1x1, 1x2 plates of colors they want. It could be fun to try to organize the outcome for plates and not the picture. This isn't cost (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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It looks to me like the only colors you can get now are: white, light gray, gray, dark gray, and black :-( (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I didn't know there were three shades of gray. Is this something new or have I just missed something? BEN (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Suz worked out a color guide a while ago... it's still there : (URL) Dan Boger / dan@peeron.com / www.peeron.com / ICQ: 1130750 <set:2882_1>: Motorboat (LEGO/SYSTEM/Town), '97, 21? pcs, 1 figs (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) then the third (lightest) gray corresponds to Suz's "GRAY+2, SCALA 1997 as in stove top (light gray)." This then is a pretty rare color as it has never appeared in System or Technic sets/pieces. BEN (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) It works well with sound in Netscape 4.6 of the HP-UX, which actually had a hard time running the menus of shop.lego.com. It most likely would work on a Mac. (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Rather than browser-the-software that would be browser-the-person using a Mac to access the internet. Decyferable but, yes, too confusing a phrase when it could be easily stated more clearly. John #388 (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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Well, I finally printed out the instructions. Seems it's a 44x44 baseplate, with 2 extra studs on each side for the frame. The frame is made of 11 2x4 bricks (I'm assuming it's a new kind of brick?), and 4 2x2 corner bricks. The design is made out (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Looks to me like a regular 2x4 roof/angle brick. (...) I'm hoping plates. Jonathan (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.year.2001)
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(...) So it looks as if this is a set of 1936 1x1 plates, 44 2x4 slope bricks in some colour, 4 2x2 corner slopes in the same color, an 8-piece hangar (unspecified) and a single 48x48 baseplate. It comes with 5 colours of plate: Black, Dark Gray, (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | Concerns regarding Brick-o-Lizer™ User Agreement (was: Re: New stuff at shop.lego.com)
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(...) This is cool! It looks like the SCALA gray might be available in bricks. I have some non-trivial concerns about the User Agreement, though: (URL) quote the User Agreement in its entirety below, interspersed with good faith commentary. UA> By (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.dear-lego) !!
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(...) Look closer -- (in the HTML source) -- it's written by Eric Harshbarger! :-) (...) I hope it's not Windows dependent. It kinda sorts runs on Linux here for me, but not well. But Eric is a smart guy! -- he'll fix it! :-) (...) Hmm, good (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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| | Re: Concerns regarding Brick-o-Lizer™ User Agreement (was: Re: New stuff at shop.lego.com)
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In lugnet.dear-lego, Todd Lehman writes: [Quoting Brick-O-Lizer User Agreement] (...) Uh, no. It just means that if LEGO puts some of their copyrighted material into the final product, they retain copyright. I suppose this will restrict what you do (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) My concern is that LEGO might try to argue that the final brick configuration from the dithering algorithm was part of the "new material" added by LEGO in connection with preparing the final product. (...) Could you then create your own LDraw (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Whoa! Congrats, Eric! eric (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) The legal language they use would seem to permit any artistic or educational (i.e. not "obscene" in the Supreme Court sense) nude material. I'm surprised they diddn't add a "family/child friendly" catchall. (...) I guess they don't want you (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | Mosaic 5 color gif available (was: New stuff at shop.lego.com)
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(...) I have posted a gif on my web site (URL) using the 4 colors in this variation, 400 each of white, light gray, gray, dark gray, and 336 of the black. Anyone who wants to copy and use it can. Just make sure you zoom out enough in the (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Oops, I forgot a "full disclosure" statement. Although I don't feel that my concerns are biased, I think it is still in order: Full disclosure: I operate a website with a Mosaic Maker web application[1] which allows users to upload a JPEG or (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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In lugnet.general, Eric Joslin writes: ^^^^ (...) ^^^^ (...) (1) (...) ^^^^ (...) ^^^^ (...) ^^^^ Is there an echo in here? Or are Joslin/Olson/Harshbarger secretly the same person? I mean, has anyone actually seen all three of them together? They (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) <snip> (...) The descriptive text isn't clear. I'm going to wait until there's more information out there, I'm afraid. The plates would be useful to me, as would the tiles, but I don't want to order it and have it come up bricks. More 1x1 (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) LOL -- good call! (...) I always wondered what happened to Erick Jolsonbarger from RTL. ;-) --Todd (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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In lugnet.general, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> Slow day at work, Larry? ;) James (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Hi, I just called Shop At Home and it comes with 1x1 BRICKS according to the rep I talked to. She went to ask someone else. So, take that for what it's worth... Matt (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Just to clear it up... I specifically asked if it came with 1x1 plates, 1x1 bricks, or 1x1 tiles. Cheers! Matt (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) <snip some cogent questions> (...) I'd make the following comments on your post, Todd: 1) Are you sure the new colour is the SCALA gray, or even that the lightest gray is the new gray? I'm thinking of ordering one of these for plates, and (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I imagine the order is computer picked on a custom basis, with exact plate counts. Perhaps they give you a couple extra, but here's my math: 1993 bricks in set: 1 48x48 baseplate 44 2x4 slopes 4 2x2 corner slopes 1936 1x1 plates (44x44) ---- (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I called S@H, took some poor operator by surprise (in the sense that she had very little information, only that the Brick-o-Lizer was Coming Soon). She says that the pieces come in 90-piece baggies, and *** the pieces are all 1x1 plates. *** (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I just finished running through the Brick-O-Lizer (and y'all thought the regular shop.lego.com site was slow! This B-O-L is like molasses!). The saved GIF is 440x440, but each 10x10 pixel square is a single color. So it appears that: 1. The (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) I'm on Win98, behind a firewall, and it still runs miserable-to-miserable. Steve (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Yes, it's almost 10 PM and I really ought to leave... ++Lar (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) No, I'm not sure; it was an educated guess. However, I just spoke with someone at LEGO who said the color wasn't recently new. So I think it's a reasonably good bet that it's either the LEGO SCALA light warm gray -- the one that came out about (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) In fact, doesn't the description of the product even talk about taking it apart to make other images? This would suggest that TLC's intent is that you be able to use the parts to make other images. Frank (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) The thing that made it the most miserable was really those web menus that take forever to load. UGH. I would have ordered the thing but I did not have that much time to waste on menus. (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Hmm. I think it could be argued that the mosaic pattern is a reproduction of the original material, and so doesn't merit a new copyright. Just like reproducing a color picture in gray-scale halftone. Especially since the reproduction is a (...) (24 years ago, 8-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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| | The Right To Exploit (WAS: Concerns regarding Brick-o-Lizer User Agreement)
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Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in article <G3oFGo.JED@lugnet.com>... (...) it. (...) it, (...) do (...) one (...) alternate (...) Todd, your last statement has an odd ring to it. Perhaps you can elaborate. You are a person who (rightly so) (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to put too fine a point on it, but I think most thinking people would consider a lot of the junk in that "license" was unenforcable crap. If I buy one of these Mosaic things I'll display it, take it apart, and/or do whatever I want with (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Allan Bedford writes: <snip> (...) <snip> I dunno if that was intentional or not, but it sure made me snurk. :) James (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.pun)
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(...) Inviting it? No. Drawing attention to the fact that it is possible? Yes. Would I do it myself? Yes. If I buy the product and the agreement hasn't changed to clarify the confusion, yes, I will construct the actual mosaic with a separate program (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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But what could LEGO do if I sell the bricks, make copies (with duplo or regular bricks), trade the bricks with your friends, take it to work etc? Are they going to sue me for playing with their product? To do sue me, first, they must track me down, (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Probably nothing. But you might be breaking the agreement if you did that. To the best of my knowledge, LEGO has never before required a customer to agree to a written set of rules governing the use of the product prior to making the sale. (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) I'm guessing that you're reading negative connotations into Todd's statement that he didn't intend. From what I know of Todd (which is only via online communication, primarily on RLT and LUGNET), he meant 'exploit' as 'use', not 'unfairly (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yup! The question of circumventing the ambiguities in the LMBOLUA[1] is an amoral issue (not moral, and not immoral, but amoral, meaning not in the realm of morality or immorality) and if you find an obvious loophole in an agreement that you (...) (24 years ago, 9-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's something that just flitted through my mind: LEGO Direct probably decided to go with gray-scale to reduce the number of colors, to control costs. I wonder if they looked at dithered-color images at all? Allowing all/any colors would (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Especially when the "spirit" of the LMBOLUA is part of the ambiguity. We don't know what TLC is trying to accomplish via the terms they laid out. All we know is they put together a number of somewhat bizarre legalish terms. Now, if we had a (...) (24 years ago, 10-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:G3rwLG.HMt@lugnet.com... (...) etc? (...) that. (...) Next thing they will be saying you cannot use the bricks in any set to make anything other than the model described by the instructions (...) (24 years ago, 11-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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<big snip> (...) <big snip> Does not infringe on copyright huh. Well does that mean I couldn't make a mosaic of the Led Zeppelin I cover (which would lend itself very well to a mosaic btw). This may be more of an issue wuth the record company. Who (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) In all honesty, my guess is that if you did it, you'd get your mosaic. If you did it, and you built the mosaic, and then you went on eBay and sold it, and the record company noticed and went after LEGO, LEGO could point at the user agreement (...) (24 years ago, 13-Nov-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Curses! I've... I mean, we've... been found out! eric (24 years ago, 20-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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