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Dan sent me an email last night, telling me that he was going to change his story because of all the whiners. I pleaded with him not to give in to them, but Dan is at heart a nice guy and he doesn't want people to be offended. He left this letter on (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Maybe, rather than taking the "offensive" stuff out altogether, something like this could accompany future comic strips right at the beginning, as part of a disclaimer explaining that it is SATIRE against the offensive marketing engine that (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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Words obviously spoken by a man without small kids. Barney (and Elmo) is an hour of uninterrupted time in which you can actually get something done. With Elmo or Barney gracing the screen I can supervise with one eye and be doing something else. (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) My goodness that *does* miss the point. I don't know whether anyone else who was engaged in honest dialog about whether violence against fantasy characters was useful/appropriate/good fun or not was asking for change, but *I* never asked for (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How could you tell? ;-) (...) Back in the mid-90's when Barney-bashing was at its height, I remember hearing about a lot of adults *with* small children who were going crazy from all the Barneymania (uh, the adults, that is...not the kids :-). (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) 1/2 disagree. By stating publicly that you didn't like it and weren't going to let your kids look at it, you *are* asking for change. (Not a change in what has already occurred, but a change in the future.) Otherwise, why bother to say (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:G3IM77.9yF@lugnet.com... (...) explain (...) The Sesame Street magazine had an article on the child psych design of Elmo's world. Each aspect of the 15 minute segment has a purpose. Adult (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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Sorry should have been clipped to ot.debate "Rob Doucette" <rob.doucette@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:G3Ios1.G43@lugnet.com... (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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I'll agree there. I'd much rather have Elmo on than Barney. Heck, 3 years ago I'd be in 100% agreement with you. It's funny that me, my wife and my sister-in-law and her husband as well as many more of our DINK friends were all anti-Barney and swore (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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With the Ewoks, Leia was their advocate--she begged you to consider their good qualities. Qui-gon Jinn never had a connection with the little Gungan twerp. Plus, you could negotiate with an Ewok and they were rather intelligent. There is nothing (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) I guess I would sort of agree with Todd, in that when one makes a public statement about how they dislike something, that they hope it will have a an effect. However, this does NOT consitute censorship. To me, this is the way change should be (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm a little disapointed in that coment. I don't think it's being humor impaired to question the value of something which shows intolerance. I'll even admit that when I read the story, I laughed at Jar-Jar's beating (though not nearly so much (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, "humour-impaired" isn't an accurate phrase to use in this context -- it's too loaded. See last paragraph here: (URL) I'll even admit that when I read the story, I laughed at Jar-Jar's beating (...) But it's not Jar-Jar being beaten -- (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Here's an example (remember this one?) in which the creator (IMO) found a far more effective way to express his feelings about Jar Jar. I thought this was hilarious and the best use for Jar Jar heads I've ever seen. (URL) in the third frame. (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not suprised at the reaction but I am sorry it has been changed. I might put a few words into the thread as I have spent a bit of time on this very issue. When I started making my STAC things I was very careful about what I was saying (...) (24 years ago, 4-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) difference. In Captain Ahnee and the Dipwads, the reader is likely to emphasize with the captain. In the Halloween story, the reader is more likely to emphasize with the kids. Of course, on top of that, the violence is subtle, and also is not (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fair enough. If you think that my opinion matters to others, that is. I'm not sure that my likes and dislikes ought to be taken into account to the point of restricting the actions of others. ++Lar (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Haha, indeed. Anyways, in my opinion, Jar Jar has become the "Kenny" of Lego comics. So far I've seen him get beaten twice. I find it quite funny. What about Ahnee's ex-wife (I think it was) getting shot? Wouldn't that be making fun of natives (...) (24 years ago, 5-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) Too bad an Arctic parka probably won't fit on his head. (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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Greetings all, It really shows what a diverse group we have when something like Dan's posted story can cause a discussion to spiral so completely out of control. I read Dan's story and found it kinda funny although, for myself, there did seem to be (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heh. Dan is happily married. I think the ex-wife angle comes from somewhere else... (...) But it's so much fun to bash JarJar! ;^) (...) Well.... I was a bit frustrated at the moment. Lar did a pretty decent job of analyzing it a couple posts (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Ewoks have survival skills"? You're talking about a race that has wood-and-leather hang gliders, which they use in dense forest, against high-tech weapons. Sounds fairly insane to me. Almost as insane as the fact that they won. Bleh. Steve (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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(...) But you must admit they had more of an emotional range than JarJar. I remember feeling sorry for the young Ewok who was wailing over his dead parent (I assume it was a parent, if not, it was a relative or friend). Where watching TPM I felt (...) (24 years ago, 6-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.starwars)
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Marilyn Manson never bothered me. I've always just found him amusing. It's his fans that worry me! I think Dan should post both versions of his story and just label one for adults and one for kids. I must admit, I hated Jar-Jar from the moment I saw (...) (24 years ago, 7-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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